(UPDATE) Since the Dr. Wecht and Dawna Kaufmann interview about their latest collaborative effort was posted, the audio version of their chat with Guardian Liberty Voice journalist and writer Michael Smith was edited and is now available for readers to hear. This can be found at the end of this article.
We would also like to remind fans of Dawna Kaufmann and Dr. Cyril Wecht’s work to keep an eye out for the printed version of the ebook Final Exams which will be available very soon.
The Guardian Liberty Voice has the privilege of an exclusive interview with Dr. Cyril Wecht MD. JD. and Dawna Kaufmann. They have written three true crime novels together and their latest is Final Exams which is available from planetannrule.com.
Dawna Kaufmann is a widely read and respected true crime journalist who has reported on hundreds of high-profile cases of homicide as well as missing person’s cases. Her work has been published in such esteemed publications as Cosmopolitan, The Los Angeles Times and many other newspapers including the Globe and the Star as well as National Enquirer.
On top of her true crime writing career, Ms. Kaufmann has also written for film and television, including Saturday Night Live, MadTV and The Arsenio Hall Show amongst others.
Dawna has written two previous true crime books with Dr. Cyril H. Wecht MD, JD. The latest being Final Exams which deals with four very different cases that Dr. Wecht worked on in his capacity as a forensic pathology expert.
Dr. Wecht is a recognized expert in forensic medicine/pathology and considered one of the foremost authorities on the assassinations of both President John F. Kennedy and his brother, Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy.
Dr. Wecht has dealt with many high profile cases that include many “celebrity” deaths, Elvis Presley, the O.J. Simpson case, Jean Harris and JonBenet Ramsey amongst others.
Dr. Wecht has performed autopsies, testified and done in-depth studies of these cases and revealed his experiences in dealing with many such high profile crimes in previous books such as Grave Secrets, Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey, and Cause of Death and quite a number of other publications. He has appeared on many different television shows including 60 Minutes, Geraldo at Large, the Dr. Phil show and others.
Now Dr. Wecht and Dawna Kaufmann have teamed up again to present four different cases in a book titled Final Exams. These two professional crime specialists give an in-depth picture of each crime. The amount of time spent giving a full account of the victims, families and the crime leave the reader feeling a sense of rage, compassion, surprise and sadness.
The Guardian Liberty Voice has the honor of providing an exclusive interview with these two true crime luminaries whose latest work; Final Exams is available now via annrulepresents.com.
First of all I’d like to thank you both formally for taking time out of your busy schedules to talk to us here at The Guardian Liberty Voice.
Dr. Wecht: Well thank you, we’re delighted to be here Mr. Smith.
Dawna Kaufmann: Thank you Michael, we’re a fan of the Guardian Liberty Voice and it’s a very exciting website.
Guardian Liberty Voice: Thank you for saying so!
Guardian Liberty Voice: This is your first collaboration for Ann Rule Presents, but you have worked together before Final Exams; you wrote From Crime Scene to Courtroom in 2011 and Question of Murder in 2009. You two first got to know one another on the O.J. Simpson case. You have made a great team in your prior collaborations, and in this most recent one, what is it that keeps you two coming back to work together?
Dawna Kaufmann: Well Dr. Wecht I think this is where you can talk about how beautiful I am and talented…
Dr. Wecht: -laughing-
Dawna Kaufmann: He’s laughing…you see?
Dr. Wecht: Well its like the song, Michael, The Second Time Around, you know like my first publication marriages, you know, so I was looking for a serial writer and Dawna now has been the newest addition and definitely the best. She is excellent… Really the reason that I came to work with Dawna after we met and discussed this collaboration is that she is just outstanding in her work.
She is unbelievably diligent and I guess both of us have an obsessive-compulsive component to our personality, which will not allow us to let things slip by or just lie in the realm of conjecture. Dawna follows through in a very detailed fashion and she is also very fair and reasonable and she tries to get different sides; it isn’t that she doesn’t form strong opinions, she does.
Once in awhile we may indeed disagree in terms of what we think about a particular issue or a person or a case, but, we always try to make sure that every aspect in covered…i.e. I know that I can depend on her and then of course her basic writing skills; that obviously is the bottom line; that is the foundation of everything upon which all of these other attributes that I refer to are constructed.
Guardian Liberty Voice: Fantastic. I’ve got to agree. I think you make a wonderful team, an absolutely brilliant team. Dawna, do you have anything to add to that?
Dawna Kaufmann: Oh, I sure do. Because Dr. Wecht who is, as you said, both a medical doctor and a lawyer. The specialty being forensic pathology, he is a medical detective and when somebody dies the body talks to him and he figures out what happened and his expertise can send someone to death row or get them out of prison if they have been falsely convicted. And he works on the most exciting cases. He has 56,000 cases in his files. So I couldn’t pick a more expert, passionate person to partner with and I have the joy of being able to decide which of the cases we are going to focus on.
This is our third book; our fourth is in the making, soon, but our third book now, is four different cases and we pick those that are almost cinematic. Dr. Wecht works sometimes for the prosecution, sometimes for the defense, but he doesn’t shade his testimony to please any lawyer. That’s what is so exciting about him. He is so iconoclastic and so independent. So the breadth of the cases; some are suicides, some are homicides; most are homicides…that we write about anyway.
The twists and turns…I always say that people who read fiction should try non-fiction. Because with true crime you are really getting the absolute, most mind-boggling cases you can imagine. You end up saying, “How in the world did that happen?” Well, we go through all the steps.
Guardian Liberty Voice: But it’s so true. Truth is really stranger than fiction. People use it a lot as a cliché, but it ‘s so true. Secondly, having read several of your books on true crime it seems that you both have the same goal in mind. You don’t just recount the crime and the circumstances surrounding it and the way in which it was solved; you both focus on the victims and their surviving relatives and partners that have been left behind. This is something you both obviously believe in. Not a lot of other true crime writers seem to catch this. Why do you think they miss the importance of this in their coverage?
Dawna Kaufmann: Well, if I may say, I think Ann Rule is somebody I learned that from. She always cares about the victims’ families. They drive her to find out what happened and Dr. Wecht also responds well to family members who want to have answers. Not in our books, per se, but in our other cases. Because I still write a lot for various magazines and when I have an interesting case, I go to Dr. Wecht and say, “What do you think happened here?”
One I’ll just throw out really quickly was Angie Dickinson’s daughter committed suicide and I was talking to Angie. She thought her daughter was autistic or had Aspergers for many years. She was an adult, 41 and a very smart girl but ultra-sensitive person. It was such heartbreak for Angie. But when Dr. Wecht looked at the autopsy report his viewpoint was, this girl was such an achiever because she had such brain damage due to her premature birth that it was amazing that she achieved all that she did.
So even though there was heartbreak in Angie Dickinson’s part, she was surprised to learn this and never would have gotten it if she read the autopsy report. It took somebody like Dr. Wecht to interpret (the findings).
Dr. Wecht: I try to look at every case in terms of the human being. I just did an interview with a high school girl today. Students are always writing and I try to respond and be gracious and ask them to call me on the weekend and devote some time (to them) and she asked a question that I am frequently asked, “How do you do this work? How do you handle it and what impact has it made on your life? Doesn’t it do something to you to see all these tragic violent deaths?” I told her that I try to think of everybody as a human being; his/her family, background and how did things wind up this particular way; is there something that could have happened…and this, of course, is true for natural deaths.
I did an autopsy yesterday on a 53 year-old guy who just had one bad coronary and that was enough to make him drop dead before his father whom he was working with at their home and I thought to myself, “My God, if this guy had some premonitory warning signs or symptoms;” and I don’t know whether he did or not; I don’t have that history/background at this time. But he was a perfect candidate for stents or a coronary artery bypass graft and so on and he could have been alive, maybe, for 30 more years. His father is already 30 years older than he.
A one-month-old baby that I also did yesterday. A chubby…a beautiful baby, put down to bed and dead. And as far as I can see this is going to be another SIDS case, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome. I was thinking that, well, this baby was put down prone and you’re not supposed to do that. It’s not criminal negligence and I hesitate to say even that it is negligence; some parents are not aware of the fact that the incidents of SIDS is much lower; it’s not eliminated but it’s much lower when the baby is put to bed on his/her back and they should not be put down face down and I thought about that, “My God, look at this beautiful, beautiful chubby baby who might alive if he had been put to bed on his back.”
These are just two examples of natural deaths that make me wonder and think and be sensitive…
And then I just testified in a murder case recently that resulted in a first degree murder case and I think about the circumstances and which way it could have gone and the people involved and so on. As Dawna says, the important thing is to not lose sight of the fact that you are dealing with human beings; that every case, no matter how simplistic it might be on the one hand or how complex and horrendous it might be on the other hand, is a case, in and of itself involving human beings, their families, their feelings, their thoughts, their lives and what their futures might have been.
Guardian Liberty Voice: That’s a brilliant answer from both of you. Have you ever had a case that has outraged you or affected you in such a way that it took you quite awhile to forget about the issues?
Dr. Wecht: Sure there’s a lot of cases that you don’t forget about and not just because they’re famous or involving celebrities but because they’re fascinating from a pathological standpoint; they were intellectually challenging and then the court cases that remain with you are the cases of sheer, utter, mindless violence and brutality. Especially when it involves a child, an innocent person or sometimes an older person who was somehow incapacitated or lived alone.
Someone…not to suggest for one moment that to just kill somebody with one single gunshot or one stab wound or one blow to the head…that’s okay; these aren’t graded by a supreme being or maybe even by the courts, but they’re graded in a moral or ethical sense and in the terms of psychological impact; the emotional significance to you…they have those accreditations, so those kind of cases you’re reminded of how brutal human beings can be and I often think that to a great extent that many of the things we see with human beings are not really duplicated in the animal world.
Guardian Liberty Voice: Very true. How about you Ms. Kaufmann? Have you got anything that’s stuck with you?
Dawna Kaufmann: Well the big cases, one of things that make Dr. Wecht and I good partners is that we obsess about three cases in particular that we will just never get over because there’s just no justice and we know the facts of the cases so well that we could recite them word by word from what’s in the autopsy reports and all the investigations…but that would be the assassination of John Kennedy, our president, the assassination of his brother Robert Kennedy who was running for president and the sex abuse and murder of JonBenet Ramsey which was just a case with a million moving parts…
And wherever we are, if somebody brings them up we will just stop what we’re doing and go talk to them and explain, maybe, what they don’t know. We’re always looking to speak to people who may have more info themselves. I’ve seen Dr. Wecht walk down the street and people would come over…or go through an airport and people would say something and he would just stop and talk about it, about many cases, but especially about these. Because the level of intrigue and passion…it sticks in both of our craws and we’ll just never stop doing that. It’s a lovely obsession.
Dr. Wecht: Yeah, I would add a fourth. I agree with Dawna, on her recollection of these three cases, indeed, I’ll just make one small correction, semantically; Dawna knows, of course, the difference. When she says they’re open cases…they’re officially closed, JFK, RFK, they’re closed; well, for that matter, JonBenet Ramsey is officially closed too.
What Dawna means by open is there’s no question; when you get into the forensic scientific aspects and investigation analysis of these cases they indeed are open and I’ll throw one more in, Dawna, that I’m sure you’ll agree with; that is troubling and disturbing and involved multiple deaths, by the way, and that is the Hurricane Katrina Memorial Hospital deaths which is also, “officially closed.”
Dawna and I, in our book, showed clearly that these people were done in; they were euthanized; that they were, if you want to be gracious, mercy killings. I can’t even give them that title because they really weren’t mercy killings and eventually would have died, but not necessarily the next day or the next week or the next month; they might have lived for years and there too these deaths were passed over and knowingly, knowingly manipulated because of the political sociological milieu that existed in New Orleans following Hurricane Katrina.
So yeah, I agree…
Dawna Kaufmann: Absolutely, yes…
Dr. Wecht: These are cases that are very troubling. I just spoke on JFK again last night at a governmental meeting of a bunch of organizations, communities in our county and they wanted me to speak on these three cases. People are always fascinated when you talk about the single bullet theory in the John F. Kennedy case and show why the Warren Commission Report is absurd and when you talk about the distance from which the fatal shot that killed Robert Kennedy was fired; one to one and a half inches; and people sit there and look at you in total amazement and awe…
And when you talk about JonBenet Ramsey and you explain why the blow to the head was inflicted when she was already dead or dying and she was dead from a rope placed around her neck during the course of a sexual perversion game and you talk about the Memorial Hospital deaths, Hurricane Katrina, and talk about the toxicological levels of drugs that clearly could have been broken into four aliquots to kill four different people, that’s how lethal the doses were…it’s right there, right there! And yet totally ignored. I’m talking officially on the record, not making anything up, not exaggerating; no hyperbole. The facts are all laid out in the wonderful books that Dawna and I have done and so on. They’re there.
And so these cases will remain troubling for both of us, and we’re not the only people in the world of course, but we remain…every time I think of these cases I get upset, I really do. Not that I sit around and agonize on them, I’m busy as anything, I’m very, very busy, I just did my 86th autopsy for the year today. I’m already on pace with my 409 from last year. And consultations are coming in from attorneys all over the country and occasionally internationally and I have an outstanding invitation to go to Dubai and give a lecture there to police officers and so I have enough to do.
But, one should never forget an injustice. I don’t mean to stand on a podium and be a preacher but injustice, and when it involves a major figure and when there was a deliberate cover-up especially a governmental cover-up. A governmental cover-up, and that’s what we’re talking about, and again, I’m not saying that you excuse something because you murder your neighbor and get away with it and it’s a cover-up but when you have a cover-up from the highest officials in the country, such as we had with J.F.K., that’s from major officials like with R.F.K., and from significant county and state officials with JonBenet Ramsey, from significant local and state officials with the Hurricane Katrina case as well as professional organizations and so on…
Now, that is bothersome, troublesome, it is despicable, it is deplorable, it is unacceptable and it needs to be exposed and regrettably it is not sufficiently exposed because the government gets away with it. That’s why they’re the government and we’re just the peasants, we’re just the peons.
Guardian Liberty Voice: Well thank goodness we’ve got peons such as you two around, because you shed light on so many different things. Apart from these high profile cases you also show just how important forensic pathology is, and not just in the courtroom, but at the crime scene investigation and afterwards. Basically, from where I sit, it looks as though you’re doing a wonderful job of educating the “lay-person” because a lot of what you do is very complex in nature to us, and there are a lot of things that are very complex in scientific terms that the average layperson may not understand. So one of the big questions we had was how much do you actually have to “dumb down” the details that you guys provide so that the average person can pick up what you’re saying?
Dawna Kaufmann: Well I can answer that, because Dr. Wecht is excellent about breaking it down: the “medical-ease;” the “legal-ease” for a jury and that same talent comes when he talks to me about cases. When I first got involved with this I did not know the difference between an aneurism and an embolism, but now I do.
He puts it in plain language so that the reader or the juror or the reporter can understand and that’s a skill that he has and that is the thing that makes him so unique among people who do what he does. There are not many, by the way, who are medical examiners who are also lawyers. So he’s just in a rarified universe there.
Guardian Liberty Voice: Very true, very true.
Dawna Kaufmann: You know, we always seek justice but…things change. Cases do get reopened; there could be a confession or a new piece of evidence or DNA testing that finally links to somebody and a case can all of a sudden loom up and come right back. At the same time, that same kind of testing can get somebody out of jail, who has been in jail for many years and just needs some re-interpretation of the forensics involved.
At the end of one of our book chapters we left open a question and now there’s going to be a new trial for the defendant in that case because there was something that wasn’t kosher and Dr. Wecht kind of zeroed in on it and there’s going to be a new trial for this person.
So even when somebody is put behind bars? That could change. Everything could change, it is not set in stone; it’s not black and white.
Dr. Wecht: I agree with what Dawna just said and I think she stated it quite well.
Guardian Liberty Voice: Brilliant. I’m going to move on now and talk more specifically about Final Exams. It’s four different cases; each of the cases is quite different. Without giving too much away for readers, what in each of these cases made you chose these particular crimes for your book?
Dawna Kaufmann: Can I just say this and then Dr. Wecht can take over. The four cases: two are from Pennsylvania; one is from Florida; one is from New York. The one in New York is called The Willing Victim. It’s about a self-help guru; a Caucasian wealthy man who travelled to Harlem to look for a poor black guy because he wanted to be murdered.
Dawna Kaufmann: The victim asks a guy he’s never met to murder him. Why? Because he’s broke and he wants his family to get, something like, 18 million dollars in insurance policies and if he dies from jumping off a bridge or some other way, he won’t collect but if he gets some schnook to murder him his family can collect. That’s a really odd case!
The case from Florida is one that people will have heard about. It’s Jessica Lunsford who was a nine year-old that it seems all of Florida was looking for back in 2005. She disappeared from the trailer where she lived with her father and her grandparents. The chapter is called The Girl in the Pink Hat because everyone remembers that missing child poster, this beautiful smiling little girl with a pink hat on.
We go inside that case because investigators were really off the mark on that case. We also talk about what happened after the defendant is on trial; what happened to the family members. It is a very odd case. You may think you know a lot about that case but, believe me, there’s so much more to be learned. And it’s just fascinating stuff.
Dawna Kaufmann: A lot of times I say that Dr. Wecht is the C.S.I. and I’m the Criminal Minds if you want to talk about two TV shows that we replicate in our daily work. Because I like to get into what makes a killer do these things and he talks about the physical manifestations in the bodies.
The chapter Hell Hath No Fury is about Dr. Andrew Bagby, who was murdered. It was clear who murdered him, his girlfriend, who was also a physician…The account of that murder was so horrific and weird that people just can’t get over this case. I’ll let Dr. Wecht talk about what the physical injuries were of these people.
Dr. Wecht: Dawna has outlined them quite well. The case in New York was unique, there can’t have been too many cases like that. At the beginning, you can image when the defendant told them about this guy offering him money and a ATM card to help him to kill himself so it would appear to be a murder in order to collect that huge amount of insurance that he had taken out for his family. You can imagine, I wasn’t there, the inspectors must have looked at each other and smiled and said, “Boy this is a new one.”
But, at this point, and I want to make that clear, that is no longer an issue, it was not an issue in the trail. They came to realize that it was true but they still proceeded in saying that it did not make any difference. They did not allow me to demonstrate how this has been accomplished, with the defendant sitting in the passenger front seat holding the knife with the bottom of the handle against the steering wheel; the blade directed outward. The driver in this case; a man wishing to kill himself, plunged himself repeatedly into the knife.
That’s a fascinating case and the detectives, by the way, when they went to the home to tell the wife and three teenage kids that their husband/father had died in this horrible fashion, they got about as much emotional response as if you’re told that your garbage can at home was tilted over in the driveway…maybe less. So maybe they then did begin to get a little suspicious.
And this case, as Dawna said, is going to be reopened, a new trial, and we’ll hope that a more fair-minded judge, and it will result in a more fair verdict with this individual…
Dawna Kaufmann: We’re not saying that he didn’t do anything wrong; of course he did because he still deserves to be in jail, just not for life.
Dr. Wecht: Yeah, you can’t help somebody commit suicide. Dawna’s right; it still a crime. There’s no state in America that allows you to help somebody commit suicide, eliminating the three states that have “right to die” but those are limited to physicians and very special circumstances.
Now the case in Florida, there is no question about how they screwed up at first, but then, eventually, they got the guy; who was a neighbor and so on. But what was important there is to show that the little girl could have been, should have been saved; that she was alive when she was put into that makeshift casket and so on; things that should have been pursued subsequently in terms of the negligence of the police agencies, etc.
The two cases that occurred in western Pennsylvania both counties just outside Allegheny County, in Pittsburgh. In the one case, where she was a doctor too and she had travelled all the way from the Midwest to kill her former lover, who was the father of her soon-to-be-born child and she might have gotten away with it. Who knows?
Dawna Kaufmann: It was the tracking of her GPS…
Dr. Wecht: It showed the tracking of her in route and she escaped to Newfoundland.
Dawna Kaufmann: Yes! She was a Canadian citizen so she fled to Canada and they protected her…
Dr. Wecht: Yeah, with the child who had been born. Then when the parents of the deceased physician, Dr. Bagby, attempted to get involved and so on, what ensued thereafter with the woman and the child is just fantastic and we’ll leave that for the readers.
The other case A Cousin’s Quest, was a lovely man in an ugly divorce situation. Literally, in less than 24 hours, the final document was to be signed, and he winds up brutally murdered, stabbed repeatedly and then ultimately with his head pushed through the glass windows. You know the doors that have little panels of glass on each side of them? The state police knew very quickly that it was one of their own, who was living with the estranged wife, they were living together.
As he was struggling and rushing to get to the door to escape from his assailant his head was pushed through there and almost completely severed. It was almost a kind of physical guillotine and I went to the scene and worked things out and so on and it became pretty apparent who the culprit was. And that’s what makes the chapter so fascinating
Because the state police, they knew very quickly that it was, most probably, one of their own. Who was living with the estranged wife, they were living together; and so it took some time before that came to play. Another fascinating aspect of the case is the DNA. Some very special, highly sophisticated brand new DNA and medical procedures were introduced. A colleague of mine, he’s a doctor, a Ph.D. specializing in dealing in DNA testing. He testified too. So that case has its own very special points of fascination and technical forensic scientific interest.
I think that it’s a nice collection of different cases and as you were talking before, Michael, about people learning from all of this. Indeed, Dawna and I are delighted that is the case and that certainly is one of our objectives. I’m not suggesting that it is the principle one or the sole one, but to know that we help to educate people; to make people more interested in the world of forensic science. It’s a nice tangential or ancillary component of what we hope to achieve with these books. In any event it’s a lot of fun, it’s a lot of interest; it is something that we continue to do.
Dr Wecht: AS Dawna said, we’ll have another book coming out this year and I’ve got a whole bunch of cases, some of which I don’t even think I’ve shared yet, in detail at least, with Dawna. So there is a constant array; there is a never-ending pool of cases to be written about that people don’t hear about.
Obviously, most people want to hear about celebrities, they want to hear about cases that become famous. JonBenet Ramsey, Laci Peterson; these are people who were not famous to begin with, they became famous by virtue of the news media being turned onto them for whatever reason. But these other cases, although they may not involve an O.J. Simpson or an Anna Nicole Smith or a Michael Jackson or a Phil Spector, they are very fascinating. I mean who knew Chandra Levy right before that case became fascinating. Who knew Jeffrey MacDonald before that case; who knew Sonny Von Bulow before her case? We don’t always have an Elvis Presley, a Marilyn Monroe, but you can always have a forensic scientific puzzle and a fascinating story to tell.
Guardian Liberty Voice: Agreed.
Dawna Kaufmann: Well it is the puzzle too and that’s what we really promote as we are writing. We are mindful of how the story telling is affecting the reader to keep turning those pages and to reveal these astounding twists and turns that are just completely real, but surreal at the same time.
Guardian Liberty Voice: Agreed. I read the book and literally could not stop reading it until I have finished the entire thing. I did not want to put it down just because each case was, as you’ve described, very different, very unique and mind boggling in a lot of instances and very tragic and heartrending as well.
I do know, moving on, that you guys are writing another book. I’m guessing, will that be another Ann Rule Presents book or is this going to be under a different umbrella?
Dawna Kaufmann: Yes, this will be another Ann Rule Presents book. Let me just say, Ann Rule is the empress of true crime. She has something like 33 number one bestselling New York Times books. Everything she writes goes to the top of the bestseller list and I’ve been a friend of hers for the last 15 years and Dr. Wecht is as well.
Her family put together planetannrule.com so that they could promote all of her books that had gone out of print to bring them back to the world as an e-book. If you don’t have a Kindle or a Nook you can download a free one and then buy the book and it will download into your laptop, your computer, your reader, your cellphone, and that’s what an e-book is. It’s what most people are reading with these days.
With Final Exams, we were the first duo to work under her umbrella and she’s also graciously agreed to publish our next book, which is on the Kennedy assassination. That’ll come out later this year. But with Final Exams it was so popular that so many people said, “Gee I’d like to have a copy that you could sign.” So they are going ahead and doing a Final Exams print-on-demand run and we’re going to have a paperback book come out of that as well.
So if you don’t have a reader and know what an e-book is, hang in there because in a few weeks, maybe within a month, we’re going to have a print version of that. And you can either download it or order it at planetannrule.com and as well as finding out about Ann’s latest books. I have to tip my hat to the people at Planet Ann Rule: Ann’s daughter Leslie, Dhebi, Jake and Glenn.
These are such professional people; they do the artwork; they do the promotions; they do the website; if you go to facebook.com/planetannrule you will see this interview, eventually, and you’ll see all the other ones that Ann does and that we do and it’s quite an operation that they have.
Guardian Liberty Voice: That’s brilliant. Dr. Wecht, anything to add to that?
Dr. Wecht: No, I just want emphasis the fact that, it’s my understanding, that these people are very responsible and they fulfill their commitments and I think that in no more than a month, quite possibly less, that book Final Exams will be available. So I urge people who are interested in these cases to keep that in mind. The other books that, by the way, we’ve been talking about; some, that going back some to before I started collaborating with Dawna; Cause of Death and Grave Secrets and Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey? And then the books I’ve done with Dawna; A Question of Murder and From Crime Scene to Courtroom and now this one, people can get them, from Amazon.
Dawna Kaufmann: All of our books, or just put in Dr. Wecht’s name in Google and you’ll find them.
Dr. Wecht: In e-book, right, right. And a lot of people, indeed, do that and the ones who aren’t into that Kindle and Nook, hold on for a month, make a little note on the side of your desk to call your bookstore or contact planetannrule.com in a few weeks and find out when it becomes available.
Guardian Liberty Voice: Fine, and I will try to remind folks about that on a regular basis because having read the book and, having read other books that you two have written, it was brilliant and anyone with this sort of interest would really, really enjoy reading it as it is very thought provoking and I would ask that, please, whenever you finish your next collaboration come and chat with us again.
Dawna Kaufmann: Oh you can be sure of that.
Dr. Wecht: It would be a great pleasure. You can be certain of that.
Dawna Kaufmann: You can’t imagine how exciting it is to have Dr. Wecht talk about the Kennedy assassination and this book is going to be quite a stunning achievement of his 50 years of involvement in this case. It’s well worth waiting for.
Guardian Liberty Voice: Most definitely. I’m quite looking forward to it. I’d like to say that this concludes our interview with both of you wonderfully fascinating people and that your latest book, Ann Rule Presents — Final Exams: True Crime Cases from Cyril Wecht is out now in e-book and that a print version will be available in about a month’s time. We will try to make sure that we remind people of this and we are very honored, The Guardian Liberty Voice is very honored and pleased to have had a chance to speak to both of you very talented and brilliant individuals. Thank you both for taking the time to have a chat.
Dr. Wecht: Thank you Michael it’s been most gracious of you to have invited us and to spend all this time and we deeply appreciate your interest and your excellent hosting, your wonderful questions in bringing out all of the fascinating facets of forensic science. Thanks so much.
Dawna Kaufmann: Hear hear!
Guardian Liberty Voice: Thank you, thank you very much; hopefully I will have a chance to interview you both again in the near future. This has been absolutely wonderful and I will probably come down off cloud nine tomorrow. This has been very exciting for me and hopefully will be for our readers as well.
Dawna Kaufmann: Thank you Guardian Thank you very much.
Dr. Wecht: Thank you.
Guardian Liberty Voice: No problem, no problem at all. Thank you!
By Michael Smith
Ann Rule Presents –Final Exams: True Crime Cases from Cyril Wecht