Far From Happy Christmas for Christians in the Holy Land

Far From Happy Christmas for Christians in the Holy Land  The Christians who still live in the Holy Land face a Christmas that will be far from happy, merry or bright. They are a persecuted minority.

O Little Town of Bethlehem, how still we see thee lie…” This hymn, and dozens like it will be sung all over the world soon, as they are every Christmas. Cards depicting the scene of the holy birth will decorate millions of houses.  Nativities will be set up in homes, in shopping malls, in churches.  But as people prepare to celebrate the humanity of a man known as Jesus of Nazareth, his homeland is no longer a safe place to be for those who follow him.

There are 14 million Christians throughout the Holy Land but they are a rapidly dwindling minority. Many of them are so desperately vulnerable that they feel they have no choice now but to emigrate. In Iraq alone, since the fall of Saddam, a startling two-thirds have fled.  Since 2003 at least a million have left. Most of them went to Syria. Now they face a second wave of displacement as they are no longer protected there.  There have been reports of rape, murder and attacks directed at them and the Christian community lives in terror.  When they feel they have to run for their lives they head for Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon. It is said that the ancient Syrian Armenian community has all but gone.

Egypt has seen churches being burnt and anti-Coptic rioting. In Gaza and on the West Bank, Christians are caught up in chaotic uncertainty. To be Christian in the Holy Land, the birthplace of Jesus, is to live in fear.  The Vatican has confirmed as credible the estimate that 100,000 Christians are killed every year for their beliefs.

Historian Tom Holland has noted how deeply ironic it is, that two devoutly Christian leaders, George W. Bush and Tony Blair, brought about, inadvertently, the final demise of Christianity in the Middle East by invading Iraq. Now the Arab Spring has proven the final knell, as Christians are all too easy targets for extremists and are living in dire jeopardy.

The major Christian celebrations are still national holidays in Syria, and this is testament to the fact that Syria has long been a sanctuary for Middle Eastern Christians.  One of the oldest parts of Damascus is the Christian Quarter at Bab Touma.  Islamic and Christian communities used to live side by side in such ease, that sacred spaces were shared.  There was ethnic and religious tolerance, mutual respect and understanding.  Now, along with so much in Syria, that harmonious co-habitation has been ripped apart.

Speaking about his deep concerns for the beleaguered Christians of the Middle East, has been HRH Prince Charles. At an inter-faith reception he said he is very troubled by what he calls the “intimidation, false accusation and organized persecution” to the Christian faith communities.  It is a problem affecting Syria, Egypt, Palestine and Iraq as well as other Arab countries. The prince says it is no longer possible to turn a blind eye to the targeting of these Christians by “fundamentalist Islamic militants.”

The birthplace of Jesus and the founding site of Christianity now has less than 4 percent of Christians making up the entire population of the Middle East and North Africa;  a number that has dropped dramatically over the past 100 years.  Prince Charles sees this as a great threat to possible peace in these regions as Christians are renowned for their bridge-building capabilities.  He himself had been trying to build a bridge between Islam and Christianity for the last 20 years, but these efforts have been beset by those with “vested interests” in destroying them.

The prince’s bridge-building metaphor is set in stone above a mosque in the Mughal capital of Fatehpur Sikri, south of Delhi. The mosque is an astounding piece of Muslim architecture. Yet over the arched gate which leads to the interior, is this inscription:

Jesus, Son of Mary (on whom be peace) said: The World is a Bridge, pass over it, but build no houses upon it. He who hopes for a day, may hope for eternity; but the World endures but an hour. Spend it in prayer, for the rest is unseen.”

Both the Mughal Emperors Akbar and Jehangir were devoted to Jesus and Mary. They did not see this as at all at odds with their Muslim faith.  Esteemed historian, William Dalrymple, an expert in the Middle East, has explained the archaic connections between the two religions, more united in similarities than in difference.

The sayings of Jesus, such as this one, make up hundreds of references in ancient Arabic literature. They originate from a variety of sources, some from early Christian texts like the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas, some from the four canonical gospels, and others from oral tradition. Curiously, Islam has retained these where Christianity has not.

These sayings, Dalyrymple reasons, “fill out and augment the profoundly reverential picture of Christ painted in the Koran.”  It is only his divinity that is questioned. Mary has more mentions in the Koran than she does in the entire Gospels and is in fact the only woman ever given her proper name therein. She is held, as is Jesus, to be a “model for Muslims.”  The old Mosaic laws, like circumcision,are accepted in Islam, as is a great deal of both the Old and the New Testaments.  This is hardly surprising, Dalrymple reminds us, when both Christianity and Islam grew from the same culture of the ancient world of the Middle east.

A 16th century painting of a nativity scene now in the British Library symbolizes this.  Mary is in the center with the baby Jesus on her knee. Yet she leans on an Indian throne and is attended by Mughal servants. The three wise men are dressed as Jesuits.  There is no stable, no cattle lowing, no shepherds and no sheep. This is because Islamic lore contends that Jesus was born under a palm tree beside an oasis. Therefore, in this painting, Mary sits under a palm outside a haveli, all the better to reach up and pluck fruit whilst she is in labor.

This picture, combining the two traditions, is many hundreds of years old.  It shows that the celebration of the birth of Jesus was long accepted as a subject of common ground. Indubitably there are differences, but the history of Islamic-Christian relations has long, respectful roots.

The profound concern of the Prince of Wales about the persecution of the remaining Christians in the Middle East has been supported by Prince Ghazi of Jordan. He has said that Christians were in the Middle East 600 years before Muslims. Indeed, he went on, “Arabs were perhaps the first non-Hebrew Christians in the world and became Christians during Jesus Christ’s own lifetime.”

Pope Francis has also expressed his worries. In a tweet under his Twitter handle of @Pontifex he wrote, “We cannot resign ourselves to think of a Middle East without Christians. Let us pray every day for peace.”

Pray for peace seems an apt response at this time of year when “Peace on Earth and Goodwill to All Men” is the primary message of hope. For the Christians of the Holy Land, facing a Christmas that will be far from happy, it is all they can do.

By Kate Henderson

Sources:

BBC News Magazine

Daily Telegraph

Huffington Post

Daily Mail

196 Responses to "Far From Happy Christmas for Christians in the Holy Land"

  1. Jenna B.   December 25, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    You get what you sew…

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  2. abe nowosibirsky   December 24, 2013 at 11:17 pm

    very sad

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  3. Jawan   December 24, 2013 at 8:25 pm

    They r suffering a lot , they r going through a lot as Christians , they r getting killed, hurt, raped cuz they r Christian’s

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  4. George   December 24, 2013 at 8:38 am

    This only points to the fact that the message of the true Christians is true about his birth, his sinless life, and his full atonement death for their sinners and his resurrection from the dead the third day, as well as his return to heaven and coming again for his own one day from heaven. And that there also is a real devil just as in Jesus day who uses people like King Herod to try to stop what God is doing to save the souls of those who will repent and believe the gospel in their hearts. Sincerely ;

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  5. Steve Winston   December 24, 2013 at 6:46 am

    The holy land is Israel where there is no religious persecution and all are respected and free to practice their faith. The rest of the Middle East is in Arab hands (even though some parts of it essentially Jordan were promised to Israel by the duplicitous Brits). The Muslims have already driven out all Jews from Arab lands and are now destroying their Christian communities. Islam has no tolerance for anything other than subjugation of the world under Islam. That is it’s aim much like the Catholic church aimed to do until recently. The Catholic Inquisition only ended in the late 1800’s.

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    • Miguel   December 24, 2013 at 7:28 am

      Islam has been a religion of intolerance and violence since it’s earliest days. Unfortunately, that part of their history is rarely taught. They claim to be children of Abraham yet they muster Jews who are children of Abraham. What religion condones the murdering of family?

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      • Jenna B.   December 25, 2013 at 2:16 pm

        Um let’s see, do you forget about all the times God sanctified the death of first born sons, destroyed the entire world because he “made a mistake”

        Why don’t you shut the hell up because you have no clue what the hell you’re talking about.

        Muslims ARE christians, just a different SKY FAIRY.

        MORON!

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        • SeaDragon   December 27, 2013 at 7:43 am

          Learn the definition, Christians are followers of Jesus the Christ. There is not a muslim alive that believes in Jesus as the Son of God.
          As for beliefs, A muslim wants to kill non-muslims so they (the killer) can go to heaven. A Christian wants to save all non-Christians so ALL can go to Heaven.
          Not any similarity I can find.

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  6. Clancy Abend   December 24, 2013 at 4:18 am

    Goodness will prevail over evil……

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  7. Michael   December 24, 2013 at 3:08 am

    I can’t believe the amount if bible ignorance is in these comments.

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  8. rod falkenberg   December 24, 2013 at 2:11 am

    And Obama is the main cause. He’s a pro moslem anti Christian figure, lending support to the Islamists wherever he can. Our nation’s power and wealthy have been subverted and used against our brethren by this tyrannical monster.

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  9. Devri   December 24, 2013 at 2:05 am

    I believe the author refers to the areas and countries around modern day Israel as the Holy Land because they are clearly spoken of in the Holy Bible. Only Israel is the “Promised Land” though. But in Christ, it matters not where we live, because He Himself is our Promised Land. In Him is provision for every need and the fulfillment of our most cherished dreams.

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  10. Donna   December 24, 2013 at 12:48 am

    Israel fake jews are no better than the Islam extremist terrorist. They are racist bigots that have nothing but hatred in their heart. Sorry fake jews, you are just as bad as the terrorist you claim to defend against.

    PROOF fake “Jews” hate the WORLD’S MESSIAH:

    “Mary was a whore: Jesus (Balaam) was an evil man.” (Sanhedrin 106a &b, p.725)
    “Jesus was a magician and a fool. Mary was an adulteress”. (Shabbath 104b, p.504)
    Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in “hot excrement.”
    “Jesus was a bastard born of adultery.” (Yebamoth 49b, p.324)

    PROOF fake “Jews” are no different than EXTREMIST TERRORISTS WHO CLAIM IT IS OKAY TO MURDER ANYONE THEY PLEASE:

    Sanhedrin 58b
    If a goy killed a goy or a Jew he is responsible, but if a Jew killed a goy he is not responsible.

    Sanhedrin 59a
    To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly..

    Mas. Shabbath 31b
    On the house of the Goy [Goy means unclean, and is the disparaging term for a non-Jew] one looks as on the fold of cattle

    Zohar, Vayshlah 177b
    A Jew may rob a Goy, he may cheat him over a bill, which should not be perceived by him, otherwise the name of God would become dishonoured.

    Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b
    When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves

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    • Joe285smith   December 24, 2013 at 2:55 am

      You are referring to Babylonian Talmud Ashkenazi Jews, not Sephardi Hebrews. Look up operation ringworm where Ashkenazi Jews radiated Sephardi Hebrew kids to murder them.

      Thou Shalt not steal.
      Thou shalt not bear false witness. (lying, misleading in any way)
      There is no other GOD, but the GOD of Abraham.
      Anything that says otherwise is from the devil and his devil worshiping followers.
      As shown by Donnas quotes.

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    • Michael   December 24, 2013 at 3:23 am

      Also if you weigh any anti gentile attitudes in Judaism on one side and the deaths of Jews by hateful Gentiles on the other which one is gonna look justified ?

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    • isaacw   December 24, 2013 at 7:06 am

      You gotta understand something, the nature of a people is not judged by the books they study, its judged by thier actual actions. Goyim have murderd jews and fellow goyim by the hundred of millions since the time the talmud you are quoting was written. True, the jews held that thier fellow jew was a bastred and deserved death, but guess what, the goyim killed him not the dredded jews.

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  11. Michael   December 24, 2013 at 12:39 am

    Last I checked, the Holy Land refers to Israel
    And its Christian minority is perfectly fine
    In the rest of the middle east, doing not so well
    Rewrite article title, it is erroneous

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  12. SharpShtik   December 23, 2013 at 11:27 pm

    Socialists, communists, Muslims and Jews, not all, but most, are allied against their common enemy, Christians. While Israeli Jews tolerate minority Christians, American Jews have waged war on Christianty for a century. Muslims have waged war on Christians for nearly 1400 years. Self defense (e.g. crusades) has given way to capitulation thanks to control of governments by socialists and communists.

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  13. IsaacW   December 23, 2013 at 10:51 pm

    I cant believe that in this day and age, stupid articles such as this gain attention. The only holy land according to Christianity is Israel, where the Christians are treated with the utmost respect by a Jewish government. The Christians should learn tolerance from the nation that brought them their Jesus.

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  14. Regina   December 23, 2013 at 10:23 pm

    I used to read about the persected Christians in far off places..never did I imagine this would advance so rapidly all over the world. Jews are leaving parts of Europe just like during WW2 It’s sad, but hey, muslims will declare they love death more than life. Why the hell don’t they just castrate themselves?

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  15. Hayes William   December 23, 2013 at 9:17 pm

    Love your brother as you love yourself.

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    • rod falkenberg   December 24, 2013 at 2:16 am

      Love your brother as you love yourself is a misunderstood phrase. It was Jesus setting the bar impossibly high to show that only He could carry out that instruction — on our behalf.

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  16. Susan   December 23, 2013 at 9:16 pm

    The writer is an ignoramous to refer to the various countries in the Middle East as “the Holy Land.” Only Israel is “the Holy Land” and it is the only place in the Middle East where Christians are safe.

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  17. jesusrocks   December 23, 2013 at 9:13 pm

    The safest place for Christians on this planet is Israel………….

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    • Silly Goy   December 24, 2013 at 7:55 am

      Your out of your mind….They hate the christian goy too…..

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  18. HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JESUS   December 23, 2013 at 9:01 pm

    That’s alright…

    Christians will meet their Maker & spend ETERNITY in heaven while Muslims are spending ETERNITY IN HELL!

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  19. Miguel   December 23, 2013 at 8:31 pm

    Hating Jews is still tolerated. Just shows how doomed the human race is. So much unrestrained hatred. It seems to have no end but we know it does.

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  20. JC Rules   December 23, 2013 at 6:54 pm

    I get tired of this obligatory Liberal/Left kneejerk damning of Christians for the “Holocaust”..Firstly the Nazis were NOT CHRISTIANS, either in phlosophy ,OR Behavior!
    Secondly, this article is about Christians being persecuted by Muslims , so lets try and stay in this decade,on topic, and not drift around over the last 2 millenia…
    Merry Christmas to all ,and remember that we celebrate the birth of the Savior Jesus the Christ in 2 days,not Santa Claus…

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    • Bill   December 23, 2013 at 8:22 pm

      Right on!!!

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  21. "fake" jew   December 23, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    the author is clearly an uneducated fool. He mixes up the holy land with the middle east as if they are one and the same. The holy land is the land of Israel. the middle east is made up of many countries including Israel. The article claims there are 14 million christians in the holy land. There are less than 10 million people in the entire land of israel. Notwithstanding the numerous mistakes in this article, I don’t follow all the comments that blame jews for the persecution of christians. Apparently they forgot that for almost 2000 years the christians persecuted jews killing millions of them, culminating in the holocaust. The only reason christians have any access to their holy sites in israel is because the jews protect them from the muslims who would just as quickly kill christians and jews.

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    • Hope   December 23, 2013 at 6:59 pm

      Fake witer!
      Clearly this guy is uneducated, and needs to do research on the Holocaust. “Hitler, was not a christian.” End quote!

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      • Jesus   December 24, 2013 at 7:36 am

        Hope, you’re really missing the point.

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  22. Sam Jackson   December 23, 2013 at 6:06 pm

    This is a recommendation to the editor, if you are going to put a photo of a church in your article and show it has been attacked and ruined … you should always put a caption under the photo to identify location and name of church. Your article will gain credulity if you put a name , city and date behind your photo.

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  23. Donna   December 23, 2013 at 5:52 pm

    URL TO VIDEO of FAKE JEWS PERSECUTING CHRISTIANS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX9Tk2TMA6Q
    V
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  24. Donna   December 23, 2013 at 5:47 pm

    Jews persecuting Christians in Israel (Israel is full of zionist fake ashankazi khazars who are really mongoloids who have been ostracized from many countries around the world because of their sadistic war mongering and EXTREME RACISM)

    Fake Jew Boy: “We killed jesus and we are proud of it… we will kill you and the palestinians…”

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    • Donovan   December 23, 2013 at 8:01 pm

      They are not Mongoloids, because Mongols are from the lineage of Shem. These Ashkenazi Khazar jews are from the lineage of Japheth(Turks). Please don’t humiliate the Shemite Mongolian people. God Bless You!!!

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  25. Steven Morales   December 23, 2013 at 5:28 pm

    As an American, I wonder where my great and glorious leader Barack Hussein Obama is on the killing of Christians across this world. I guarantee he would be screaming for tolerance and peace if Muslims were being killed in these numbers. At what point do Christians just need to arm themselves and fight back? Or are we already there?

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  26. Linda   December 23, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    BE NOT DECEIVED! The Lord is above the devil. Wake up people, the world is slowly fading away………………..and all of us who dwell in it are fading with it. We need Christ……………..Jesus is God and God is Jesus……….and HE alone can save this crazy world. Christmas is the HOPE OF THE WORLD…………………PRAISE THE HOLY NAME OF JESUS CHRIST.

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  27. BBBKing   December 23, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    A fake jewish guy said they don’t believe in the Devil (and obviously not God either… because they believe they are God)… My response to him was above.

    I read all of what Donna posted below. It is all true. My wife was going to marry a fake jewish guy a long time ago and the rabbits, I mean rabbi’s, wanted her to take an oath that she did not believe in Jesus Christ and would forever denounce him.

    She said i would never make that oath and they were mad at her. Anyways, she didn’t make the oath and ran as far away from the fake jew as possible.

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    • Jesus   December 23, 2013 at 3:56 pm

      Jews don’t believe in the devil. Not just the “fake Jewish guy.”

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      • Donna   December 23, 2013 at 4:03 pm

        You mean fake jews don’t believe in the devil. Just like fake jews believe they are God. Just like fake jews believe they are “Gods chosen people” and believe everyone else are animals…

        Fake jews father is the Devil… That is why you read Dead Men’s words…

        My father, God, Yahweh, the Messiah Jesus Christ is ALIVE and that is why we obey the LIVING word…

        You guys are the synagogue of Satan.. The sooner you realize that the sooner you can repent of your sins and let Yahweh, Jesus Christ, the Son of God wash away your sins and build you in to a NEW man.

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      • Donna   December 23, 2013 at 4:08 pm

        The devil is real… we are fighting against the principalities of this world, the spiritual wickedness in high places…

        The devil tempted Jesus with Kingdom/Authority over the Land to distract the Son of God from his duty.

        The jews who do not believe Jesus Christ is the Messiah, or never existed, or that he was a fool/magician are fake Jews… They are controlled by the synagogue of Satan, or the wicked one and his demons in high places.

        The REAL jews/goys are those that know God and love Jesus Christ, Yeshua, Yahweh, the Messiah….

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        • Jesus   December 24, 2013 at 7:40 am

          Donna, you’ve been bitten one-too-many times by your prayer snakes. Put them back in their box and pray with me. Come pray with Jesus. I am alive and will be your salvation. I will save your soul.

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          • Miguel   December 24, 2013 at 9:31 am

            Lovely. Another mocker. One more log for the fire.

          • Jesus   December 24, 2013 at 10:39 am

            It is OK Miguel, I forgive you. Accept me as your Lord and ye shall be saved.

  28. BBBKing   December 23, 2013 at 3:26 pm

    Yes, we all know that. Keep believing in yourself and we will see how far that gets you (don’t say we didn’t warned you)…

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  29. el   December 23, 2013 at 3:18 pm

    It is not Israel that is the enemy, it is secular Jews that do not believe in God –yes they are here…poisoning our children through the media, through, pornography, through education system….people like George Soros and David Geffen to name a few.

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  30. Slay Judah   December 23, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    Problems in the mideast. Problems in Europe. Problems in the US. The problems exist and surround the same group of people, all because the same group of people are responsible for them:

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    • Donna   December 23, 2013 at 3:08 pm

      I do not like the “Slay Judah” name (above)… It is too violent… Yahweh will take care of them.

      The real problem are those that believe are “God’s chosen people” but are the synagogue of satan. Their father was a liar from the start…

      PROOF fake “Jews” hate the WORLD’S MESSIAH:

      “Mary was a whore: Jesus (Balaam) was an evil man.” (Sanhedrin 106a &b, p.725)
      “Jesus was a magician and a fool. Mary was an adulteress”. (Shabbath 104b, p.504)
      Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in “hot excrement.”
      “Jesus was a bastard born of adultery.” (Yebamoth 49b, p.324)

      PROOF fake “Jews” are no different than EXTREMIST TERRORISTS WHO CLAIM IT IS OKAY TO MURDER ANYONE THEY PLEASE:

      Sanhedrin 58b
      If a goy killed a goy or a Jew he is responsible, but if a Jew killed a goy he is not responsible.

      Sanhedrin 59a
      To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly..

      Mas. Shabbath 31b
      On the house of the Goy [Goy means unclean, and is the disparaging term for a non-Jew] one looks as on the fold of cattle

      Zohar, Vayshlah 177b
      A Jew may rob a Goy, he may cheat him over a bill, which should not be perceived by him, otherwise the name of God would become dishonoured.

      Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b
      When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves

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  31. Slay Judah   December 23, 2013 at 2:31 pm

    The poisoners of American culture are Jews. Don’t let them try and deflect attention away to the Muslims on the other side of the ocean. The oppressive face of Judah is right here in our own nation:

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  32. Jay Allen   December 23, 2013 at 2:12 pm

    You Judeophobic ‘tards still insist on getting led by the rings in your bullheaded noses by the crap your are spoonfed by the real racists in the neighborhood. Are you really so stupid, in your headlong dash to mindless fellowship, not to consider the sources of your information? Here’s some prologue for you (WARNING: contains facts), after which if you still insist on getting into bullcrap YouTube wars, we can continue.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uartJGBVHwU
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL8ANySuSuk
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy3VlRV-uRE
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzMgEeem7eY
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhNFT6AyU-k
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eww7BkkvFdo
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONqCYhz3D3o
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YPcYEpAYto

    Let me know if you need any more, there’s lots. Meanwhile, everybody, shall we get the focus back to the REAL persecutors of Christians in the little town of Bethlehem (controlled by Fatah, not Israel) and many other places in that part of the world.

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  33. Chris   December 23, 2013 at 2:09 pm

    100,000 of any faith are killed a year results in a lack of Faithful People.. Less spiritualists to value…. A decline in cohesiveness occurs. Family bonds fail.

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    • Donna   December 23, 2013 at 2:31 pm

      The real problem are those that believe are “God’s chosen people” but are the synagogue of satan, because their father was a liar from the start…

      PROOF fake “Jews” hate the WORLD’S MESSIAH:

      “Mary was a whore: Jesus (Balaam) was an evil man.” (Sanhedrin 106a &b, p.725)
      “Jesus was a magician and a fool. Mary was an adulteress”. (Shabbath 104b, p.504)
      Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in “hot excrement.”
      “Jesus was a bastard born of adultery.” (Yebamoth 49b, p.324)

      PROOF fake “Jews” are no different than EXTREMIST TERRORISTS WHO CLAIM IT IS OKAY TO MURDER ANYONE THEY PLEASE:

      Sanhedrin 58b
      If a goy killed a goy or a Jew he is responsible, but if a Jew killed a goy he is not responsible.

      Sanhedrin 59a
      To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly..

      Mas. Shabbath 31b
      On the house of the Goy [Goy means unclean, and is the disparaging term for a non-Jew] one looks as on the fold of cattle

      Zohar, Vayshlah 177b
      A Jew may rob a Goy, he may cheat him over a bill, which should not be perceived by him, otherwise the name of God would become dishonoured.

      Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b
      When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves

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  34. green bullies suck   December 23, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Just so you know what we’re dealing with in the US:

    “We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation.” — Barack Hussein Obama, speech in Turkey, 2009
    “The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer” – Barack Hussein Obama, Cairo speech, 2008
    “The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet Of Islam” – Barack Hussein Obama, United Nations speech, 2012
    “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction” Barack Hussein Obama, in his book, The Audacity of Hope

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  35. Rifka Ort   December 23, 2013 at 12:23 pm

    Holy Land? Where is the Holy Land? It is not on my map. Using the words Holy Land shows the distortion of this story and the bias of this story. The writer alludes to Israel but calls it the Holy Land. Well Israel is a country although the Arabs and this writer will not acknowledge it. And Bethlehem is run by the Arabs, not Israel. Christians live peacefully in Israel and always have. I have been there and seen that with my own eyes. There is a photo of the desecration of a church but no identification of where this church is. What is written here are half truths, They are written to create a division between Christians and Jews. Don’t believe these lies. Yes, Christians are having problems in the Muslim countries. We have read about this in the past. In those countries, you are either Muslim or dead. There is no tolerance. This is Jihad and not the peaceful Muslims that are religious and good people. I don’t know this paper but I won’t read it ever again.

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    • Rae   December 23, 2013 at 12:59 pm

      I suggest you read Discovering Judaism by Michael Hoffman. That may help get your fact straight. Judaism is a religion of the Pharisees and is antichrist and it’s Talmud even admits as much. This does not mean that we must despise Jews. What it means is we must reach out to the Jews and point to the teachings of Christ.

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      • IW   December 23, 2013 at 1:39 pm

        Oh please. I don’t know who this Michael Hoffman is, but anyone can publish a book. I’m Orthodox Jewish and respect Christians and their beliefs. It doesn’t mean I need to be a Christian or you to be a Jew, it just means to respect each other’s beliefs without necessarily having them for one’s own, which Jews do, despite what your Mr. Hoffman might write. If Jews have any views of Christians, it is that Christians should be good Christians and Jews should be good Jews. Period.

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        • Donna   December 23, 2013 at 2:19 pm

          No need to read Mr. Hoffman… I will point it out to you in your Kaballah Talmud Mystical writings… Do you admit to the fact that the jews (but are really not jews) are the chosen people of God and we (the goys) are animals?… Oh vey, what a day!…

          Summary of what you fake Israel joos are: Rev 3:9: Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie;

          PROOF you hate the WORLD’S MESSIAH:

          “Jesus was a bastard born of adultery.” (Yebamoth 49b, p.324)
          “Mary was a whore: Jesus (Balaam) was an evil man.” (Sanhedrin 106a &b, p.725)
          “Jesus was a magician and a fool. Mary was an adulteress”. (Shabbath 104b, p.504)
          Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in “hot excrement.”

          PROOF you hate people and are wanna be GODS (satan):

          Sanhedrin 59a
          To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.

          Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b
          When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves.

          Mas. Shabbath 31b
          On the house of the Goy [Goy means unclean, and is the disparaging term for a non-Jew] one looks as on the fold of cattle

          Zohar, Vayshlah 177b
          A Jew may rob a Goy, he may cheat him over a bill, which should not be perceived by him, otherwise the name of God would become dishonoured.

          Sanhedrin 58b
          If a goy killed a goy or a Jew he is responsible, but if a Jew killed a goy he is not responsible.

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          • IW   December 23, 2013 at 2:29 pm

            Where did you get those quotes, from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion? The first few of those certainly got my attention, but unfortunately for you, they’re not in the Talmud, which I just checked, to be sure. Learn some Hebrew, get an education, then find a rabbi who can teach you the truth about our religion, if the truth is what you’re really after.

          • Donna   December 23, 2013 at 2:36 pm

            Baba Kamma 113a which states that Jews may use lies (“subterfuge”) to circumvent a Gentile.

            The talmud, you know what I’m talking about you foolish goof ball… You know what I’m talking about you goof ball. The hebrew writings are available you goofy little member of the synagogue of satan…

            I forgot, you must lie to anyone to points out your true intentions because you freaks are scared of the repercussions if your devilish beliefs….

          • Donna   December 23, 2013 at 2:38 pm

            Sorry for the bad grammar (typing too fast)
            *I forgot, you must lie….. repercussions if your devilish beliefs are exposed to the public

          • IW   December 23, 2013 at 2:51 pm

            “Devilish beliefs”? I’m all a-twitter! Tell me more about how bad I am!

          • Donna   December 23, 2013 at 3:02 pm

            That is between you and your father the devil, my friend.

          • Shlomo   December 24, 2013 at 11:56 am

            Why are you so hung up on this “devil” guy? There is no devil. And why are you bringing IW’s dad into this. Does his mother not count?

          • Hez   December 23, 2013 at 2:41 pm

            Donna,

            accurate quotes, however, you would do well to align each “false statement” of the sages with references right in Tanach to each subject that would show the Talmudic and Sanhedrin Council sages to be of questionable character…as if Tanach directly contradicts the Sages…it is the sages they are to reject , not Tanach/Torah!

            To my fellow Y’huden.G-d’s Word through Moses and the Prophets shall NOT fail…men will fail, sages and prophets will fail, and when they do, they are deemed false sages and prophets…how have you neglected the higher (Torah/Tanach) for the lower (Talmud/Kabbalah)? Could it be that Tanach is correct when it says, Hashem will close our eyes and ears so we are ever listening, but never hearing, ever seeking, but never seeing, and he will cease to hear our prayers and turn to the goyim? Isn’t this obvious? HaShem also lays out the cure, repent and return to him, and he will once again be our G-D and we will be His people. Believe Tanach…the rest will follow.

          • Shlomo   December 23, 2013 at 2:46 pm

            Donna, nice copy & paste!

            “And the Lord said: If ye seeks out a Psychologist with sincerity for mental help, your soul shall be saved.” — Jesus the Joo

          • Donna   December 23, 2013 at 2:51 pm

            Rev 3:9:
            Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie;

            Goofy member of the synagogue of Satan 🙂 You are cute when you blaspheme the messiah, you killed, who was and is to save you for your filthy sins.

          • Shlomo   December 23, 2013 at 3:00 pm

            It’s so nice to know I have a guy named Jesus so I can sin as much as I want and say Jesus died for my sins while never taking personal responsibility. Jesus…he’s so convenient!

          • Donna   December 23, 2013 at 3:03 pm

            I take responsibility for my sins through the world’s messiah, Jesus. You, however, must take it up with your father the Devil.

          • Donna   December 23, 2013 at 3:05 pm

            Or to put it more accurately, I take responsibility of my sins through the messiah YAHWEH…

            Who do you have?… Yourselves? Your father the Devil? Who do you have?……

          • Shlomo   December 23, 2013 at 3:05 pm

            I don’t believe in a devil. That’s Christian stuff. Sorry.

      • Shlomo   December 23, 2013 at 1:45 pm

        Rae, we’re well aware of the teachings of christ, as they are a spinoff of Judaism’s teachings. We’ll keep the original Bible, the one gifted to us by God, you can keep the second version gifted from a man named jesus and his roadies. Thanks.

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        • Hez   December 23, 2013 at 2:28 pm

          Schlomo,

          Today Jews don’t read the Tanach to hear G-D, today Jews read the Talmud to get sages interpretation of G_Ds word. Try reading it Like Isaiah 53, or MIcah 5…..where the Moschiach is told to be everlasting…no man is ever lasting…only HaShem is everlasting..the moschiach will come as man/G-d, the Christians have it right, but only because Tanach has it right and our eyes and ears have been closed…we live in the time of the goyim…but one day HaShem will open our eyes and ears…read your Tanach…even if you don’t understand it..read it…its ALL there!

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          • Shlomo   December 23, 2013 at 2:56 pm

            Today’s (observant) Jews do read the Tanach…as well as the chumash, rashi, the mishnah, the Talmud. Today’s jews read it all. This is why we have proper perspective while most others read bits and pieces to fit their personal agendas/ideologies.

          • Donna   December 23, 2013 at 4:00 pm

            Of course, you are superior, God’s chosen one… The jedi force is strong with you Kaballah mystics……..

            Rev 3:9: Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

            You must pay attention to your friend Hez.

            We “goys” or whatever you want to call us are the “chosen people” if you want to be precise (anyone that believes in Yahweh, Jesus Christ, is a real jew and/or goy). We are not arrogant like you fake jewish people… We humbled ourselves and you did not (and never have, that is why God wanted to destroy you when Moses brought you out of Egypt).

            You fake jews do a HUGE disservice to your people by proclaiming you are more “well versed” or have a “proper perspective” when all you are doing is reading DEAD MEN’s words….

            My Father in heaven is alive… who is your father?… the devil?…

          • Shlomo   December 24, 2013 at 10:43 am

            Donna, the devil does not exist, but in your head.

      • LIH   December 23, 2013 at 2:04 pm

        Hahaha… right… Judaism is the religion of the anti-christ? So I guess you also believe then that Jesus was born on December 25th, and Christmas and Easter have nothing to do with paganism? (P.S. Jesus was a Jew)

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        • Donna   December 23, 2013 at 2:23 pm

          Jesus was not a “joo”… You “joos” are not even “joos”… You guys are nothing but the synagogue of satan… Sorry, it’s true, read the comment above that points out that in your teachings you believe you are “gods chosen people” and rule over animals that you can cheat, kill and steal from….

          You guys are despicable liars. Ashkanazi Khazars….

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  36. carl   December 23, 2013 at 11:13 am

    Bridge building with Islam??? The only thing Islam wants is the total conversion to muslim or death to all that don’t convert!!! Read their damn book!
    “ALL I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT ISLAM HAPPENED ON 911”

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  37. DZ313   December 23, 2013 at 10:49 am

    Israeli persecution of Christians in the Holy Land:

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    • IW   December 23, 2013 at 11:34 am

      There is no Israeli persecution of Christians. It comes from the Moslems who are xenophobic and intolerant of anyone who is not Moslem. Anyone with eyes to see can see that in the pages of any day’s newspaper. This 60 Minutes piece is just anti-Israel political propaganda. If the Palestinians wouldn’t have blown up buses in Jerusalem’s streets, killing men, women and children by the HUNDREDS in the middle of peace talks where Israel was discussing giving them their state, there would have been no wall. In any event, Christians are under pressure from Islam, not Israel, and everyone knows it despite CBS’s fear of saying it.

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      • DZ313   December 23, 2013 at 12:04 pm

        CBS is not telling the Christians in the video what to say; they are saying those things about Israel themselves. And there would have been no violence at all from the Palestinians if the Jews had not violently removed them from their land. When you use bombs against people to achieve your greedy goals, don’t be surprised when when they are used against you in retaliation.

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      • Slay Judah   December 23, 2013 at 12:13 pm

        Muslims are xenophobic? Look who is rounding up and deporting all the non-Jewish immigrants, just because they are not Jewish:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3LW2nnJocc

        The Jews in that video even say they have a “right” to be racist xenophobes.

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        • IW   December 23, 2013 at 1:50 pm

          Give me a break. The US deports plenty of immigrants, but that’s okay because only Jews are worthy of your moral superiority. If you could emerge from your cocoon of ignorance and Israel-bashing, and actually visit the West Bank, you’d see that most of the Jewish settlements are nowhere near Arabs, but rather are settling on empty land–Jewish ancestral land, I might add. They displace no one, but it’s the Arabs who can’t stomach the thought of a Jew living on “Arab land”. Meanwhile, a million Arabs live within green-line Israel–20% of the population. Jews lived in Hebron for 2700 years until in 1929 their Arab neighbors turned on them and murdered them. While Arabs have murdered and ethnically cleansed, no one is kicking Arabs out, except in your Israel-hating imagination.

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          • Slay Judah   December 23, 2013 at 2:20 pm

            Ha ha please, the US hardly deports any immigrants because Jews are the ones that stop us from doing that, all under the guise of “racism” and “xenophobia,” while the Jews in Israel deport them by the thousands to protect their own “racism” and “xenophobia.” The Jews are nothing but hypocrites.

      • No Tyranny   December 23, 2013 at 1:14 pm

        I would suppose you would blindly claim that their is no persecution against christians by the US government either. You obviously have no clue. Yes, there is persecution, but the blind outsider, they would never know. And it would be never reported upon by the controlled propaganda networks from both Israel and the US. BTW CBS and the other propaganda networks are not your friend and they are very anti-christian.

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        • IW   December 23, 2013 at 1:58 pm

          Don’t put words in my mouth, please. I don’t claim anything about persecution of Christians by the US–it’s not an area I know much about, so I don’t pontificate about it, unlike most of the Israel-bashing posters here who pontificate without knowing much of anything firsthand.

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        • Slay Judah   December 23, 2013 at 2:21 pm

          No, IW understands fully. He is just a typical Jew bigot who thinks Jews have never done anything wrong in the history of the world, and that all the problems the Jews have is everyone else’s fault. That is the way most Jews think.

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    • Lulu   December 23, 2013 at 12:05 pm

      Israelis do not persecute Christians. That is a bizarre accusation. However, Muslims DO persecute both Christians AND Israelis.

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      • DZ313   December 23, 2013 at 12:06 pm

        Well then I guess you have to say that the Christians who say Israel IS persecuting them are lying. Christians don’t really have a culture of dishonesty though. Jews however, do.

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        • ML/NJ   December 23, 2013 at 12:54 pm

          Really?

          It’s not our book that speaks of “taqiyya.”

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          • Slay Judah   December 23, 2013 at 2:24 pm

            No your book speaks of deceiving non-Jews for the personal gain of world Jewry.

            “It is permitted to deceive a goy (Gentile).” Baba Kama 113b – The Talmud

          • ML/NJ   December 23, 2013 at 2:54 pm

            Not in my Talmud, page Baba Kama 113b has no such language.

            Why don’t you favor us all with a link to some reputable site with your quote and some context?

            Taqiyya much?

        • Rady   December 23, 2013 at 1:44 pm

          They are Palestinian nationalists who happen to be Christian. Israel has virtually no involvement with Bethlehem which is under the authority of the Palestinian Authority, but these people can only criticize Israel, when it’s the Moslems who are really pressuring them. They’d probably get their throats slit if they dared criticize the Palestinian Authority, so what do you expect them to say on camera?

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        • IW   December 23, 2013 at 1:59 pm

          A bit of the anti-Semite, aren’t you? Maybe more than a bit.

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          • Slay Judah   December 23, 2013 at 2:25 pm

            Oy vey! Pointing out vut veee do eeez anti-Semitism! Oy vey!

          • Silvia   December 23, 2013 at 2:41 pm

            Your meds are calling you….

      • Rae   December 23, 2013 at 1:03 pm

        I suggest you watch this documentary and then do a search on an Amercan girl by the name of Rachel Corey and see what the policy of Israel. You are living in severe denial and are very ignorant indeed.

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        • IW   December 23, 2013 at 2:05 pm

          Rachel Corrie was a stupid young girl who stood in front of a huge bulldozer and got run over because the driver couldn’t see her. That was established in court. But facts don’t really interest you, do they, you have videos to get your information from.

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          • Donna   December 23, 2013 at 2:26 pm

            Hey, member of the Synagogue of Satan… You guys are really good at lying you jokesters….. We are all figuring it out slowly but surely…

            Sanhedrin 58b
            If a goy killed a goy or a Jew he is responsible, but if a Jew killed a goy he is not responsible.

  38. opennewscast   December 23, 2013 at 10:37 am

    Why does CNN.com allow their comment threads to become a rabidly-antisemitic free for all? The flagrant bigotry is astounding. They provide a microphone and do nothing to moderate.

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    • Lulu   December 23, 2013 at 12:07 pm

      Because in today’s world it is a free-for-all against not just Jews but also Christians world wide.

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      • Rae   December 23, 2013 at 1:10 pm

        Lulu, learn the fate of this Christian girl in Israel:

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        • IW   December 23, 2013 at 2:01 pm

          Yeah, because this fool girl stood in front of a huge bulldozer which didn’t see her and ran over her? That’s all you’ve got??

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          • Donna   December 23, 2013 at 2:27 pm

            Another lie from a member of the synagogue of satan.

            Sanhedrin 58b
            If a goy killed a goy or a Jew he is responsible, but if a Jew killed a goy he is not responsible.

          • IW   December 23, 2013 at 2:37 pm

            Guess again, Donna, I just checked the Talmud on that page and it says nothing of the sort. To the contrary, all it says is that if an idol-worshipper kills a Jew, he gets capital punishment (just like in the U.S.!). The other statement you quote simply does not exist, but was made up by your “source”. Seems Jews don’t have a monopoly on lying, do they now??

    • No   December 23, 2013 at 12:53 pm

      That is right, silence the opposition like a good little tyrant. I suppose you also support Obama/Bush Jr in their war crimes. You know that Hitler, Stalin, and Mao had similar policies. As for the liberal press sanctioning the “free-for-all” I suggest you pull your head out of ignorance and realize they are just propaganda whores pushing their satanic agenda of the destruction of Israel and the setup of the true ANTICHRIST to whom most will bow without question. Especially when the mandates are made those that refuse to bow will pay the price by losing their head.

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      • Rae   December 23, 2013 at 1:12 pm

        The Pharisaic Talmudists have already destroyed Israel with their apartheid policies.

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        • Rae   December 23, 2013 at 1:37 pm

          John 4:21  Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

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  39. Joshua Stateham   December 23, 2013 at 10:02 am

    Islam has some similarities with Chistianity because it was developed six centuries later in the same region. However the Koran is largely ignorant of the details of the biblical texts as Muhammad was illiterate. He confused characters and stories and blended them- for example, the mother of Jesus in the Koran is actually Mary Magdalene as Muhammad got his “Mary’s” mixed up. Much of the Koranic text is biblical sounding, but ripped from proper context and historical setting and altered to fit a partucular agenda. Then it has the gall to claim it is actually the Bible that is corrupted and not trustworthy.

    As for peace, Muhammad himself went to war against the Jews and Christians and instructed his followers to continue the Jihad. There have been times of relative peace, but that is not what the Koran instructs nor what Muhammad lived.

    Islam and Christianity do NOT have more in common than in difference. That is a very ignorant statement. Nearly every biblical story, character and truth is distorted, changed or contradicted in the Koran. The god of the Bible and the god of the Koran are polar opposites.

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    • MrAmbitious   December 23, 2013 at 12:00 pm

      Mary Magdalene was his mother dude. The Koran and Bible are extremely similar because they are based off the same ghost stories. The ONLY and I mean ONLY difference is that in the Koran Jesus is a prophet and not the son of god.

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      • Lulu   December 23, 2013 at 12:10 pm

        Dude, Mary Magdalene was not the mother of Jesus. Mary Magdalene was a follower of Jesus. The life of Jesus in the Bible bears no resemblance to the Koran. Have you even read it?

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    • Lulu   December 23, 2013 at 12:02 pm

      You are so correct.

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      • MrAmbitious   December 23, 2013 at 12:07 pm

        Helps to actually have knowledge of the topic at hand. How this fool managed to mess up his own christian beliefs is baffling to me.

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        • Lulu   December 23, 2013 at 12:13 pm

          Who are you addressing?

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        • Joshua Stateham   December 23, 2013 at 3:58 pm

          It’s baffling to you because you have no clue what you’re talking about. Neither a biblical not Koranic scholar worth their salt would agree with your baseless statements. Islam and Christianity have TONS of differences- and on major theological issues. Here’s a quick partial list for reference just to point you in the right direction:

          http://www.dianedew.com/islam.htm

          There are many, many books written on the subject as well, both from the Christian and Islamic perspectives, but is you simply read the source texts (the Bible and the Koran) you will realize the two are not reconcilable.

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      • Lulu   December 23, 2013 at 12:14 pm

        I was saying that Joshua is correct.

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  40. Greg L. Brown   December 23, 2013 at 9:32 am

    Bethlehem is under control of the Palestinian Authority.Bethlehem is majority Muslim.So…who is it that is persecuting Christians in their homes and businesses and places of worship again?

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  41. Jay Allen   December 23, 2013 at 9:21 am

    Once again, the rote screeds in these comments by Judeophobic “Guardianistas” completely ignore facts and go about slamming Israel when it is all the other places in the Middle East — including the West Bank and Gaza — where Christians are persecuted or in trouble. The bigotry and unthinking fascism of you Judeophobes is not only appalling on its face, but works against a solution to the objective and very real problems Christians face in this part of the world. By diverting attention to this paranoid fantasy of Israeli (read: Jewish) responsibility for, let’s face it, everything that is bad in the world, you aid and abet the real perpetrators of persecution to get away, quite literally, with murder. Happy Christmas.

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    • MrAmbitious   December 23, 2013 at 12:02 pm

      Saying “Its not the Jews, its those darn Muslims” is equally as bigoted and factually sound as blaming Israel for the unrest in the middle east.

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      • Lulu   December 23, 2013 at 12:12 pm

        But is IS the Muslims. Even their Koran says they are supposed to destroy the Jews.

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  42. Gen. Lee Wright   December 23, 2013 at 9:17 am

    This article is breathtaking in its ignorance of islam and Christianity. Do you honestly think muslims would be okay with some Christian sect bastardizing their bastardization of Talmudic and Biblical texts? Do you think if they altered Mohammed’s words to make him seem normal and decent that muslims would accept this as doctrine?

    Then don’t paint Christians as somehow being ignorant of extra-biblical works. They are non-canonical for good reason. Textual criticism has kept heresy out of the church for hundreds of years, and they are no fools who do the work.

    Maybe you should research your subject material a little better before your next submission’s due.

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    • Paul Folbrecht   December 23, 2013 at 10:10 am

      Bravo. But could you *possibly* expect much more from the mainstream Western media?

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    • Rebecca C   December 23, 2013 at 10:15 am

      Thank you! This was a horrible article.

      Seriously, “early Christian texts like the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas”? Do they not realize that Gnostic and Christian are two different things? We know about the existence of these writings, but, as Lee said, they are non-canonical for good reason.

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      • Lulu   December 23, 2013 at 12:16 pm

        They do not believe the Bible to begin with. They could not care less what is canonical and why. Their opinions are ignorant and meaningless.

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        • No Tyranny   December 23, 2013 at 1:43 pm

          Actually it is far worse. They hate the bible and what it stands for; that is why we constantly see attack pieces like this. Their goal is to destroy the foundations of what is scriptural with doctrines of abomination such as pro-abortion and pro-homosexuality.

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  43. Richard Arthur   December 23, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Our Lord said “turn the other cheek, pray for those who despitefully use you” and best and most important “rejoice that your name is written in the Lamb’s Book of Life”. Peace will only come when He returns.
    Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

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  44. Thomas Fournier   December 23, 2013 at 8:13 am

    Not a word about Christian persecution in Israel. no surprise there. Just a mont a go an old Christian church was bulldozed for ne Jewish settlements.

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    • IW   December 23, 2013 at 9:21 am

      Nonsense. Israel is the only country in the Middle East whose Christian population has INCREASED. In Jerusalem tomorrow, the Israeli Jewish municipality is giving out free Christmas trees, as they do every year. The few acts of vandalism can be counted on the fingers of one hand, and are far less than you’d find on religious institutions in the U.S., for example. Christians are fully respected and have all their rights–there are Christian and Muslim members of Israel’s parliament enjoying full civil and religious rights which would be the envy of anyone.

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      • timothymacaren   December 23, 2013 at 9:50 am

        Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
        And I have an incredible wonderful business proposition to yoll: The Brooklyn Bridge! It is almost new, shiny, cheap, I’m remodeling right now! Hurry up because I have other waiting.
        (I’m still waiting to see whether those MIP are ever considered more relevant than furniture. But you got to be kidding!)

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        • IW   December 23, 2013 at 9:58 am

          Well, I’m from Brooklyn, and i’m in Jerusalem right now, so tell me what your credentials are to laugh. Facts are stubborn things, to quote our former President. Care to adduce any yourself??

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        • Burt   December 23, 2013 at 11:01 am

          I admire like the Jewish people I have met in my life. They are among the most interesting people I have encountered and very bright. It’s nice to see they are accepting of Christians in Israel. We are both people of the book. The Judeo-Christian link is very real. Real Christians do not blame the Jews for the death of Jesus. The Bible says that any one of us may have turned on Jesus and cites examples of Jesus’ closest followers turning on Jesus in His final hour. These were Christians! They were Jesus’ own closets friends. And they denied they even knew Jesus. To focus on the idea that some (but not all) Jewish leaders acted against Jesus is missing the whole point of the Bible. We have all lived beneath the standard that our Father expects and none of us is worthy of living in Heaven with Him. The difference between Jews and Christians is that the Jews believe the Savior will return once, to be King. We Christians also believe this. But we believe that He came once before, as a willing sacrifice for our sins. He suffered. Next He will reign with a fair and righteous hand. He will rescue Israel from its enemies and He will establish His kingdom in Jerusalem. We both believe in the same Messiah.

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          • Kenneth E   December 23, 2013 at 12:13 pm

            It bewilders me when people claim that any group killed Jesus. His death and resurrection is the exact reason he came to earth in human form. He willingly laid down his life for our salvation; no one took his life, he gave it.

          • Monica Stutsman   December 23, 2013 at 12:38 pm

            You are exactly right. He gave up his life at the exact time he (and the Father) planned. The Romans were used.

      • Ron M. (@Jewtastic)   December 23, 2013 at 10:36 am

        Thanks for standing up and speaking the truth IW.

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    • Lulu   December 23, 2013 at 12:03 pm

      The Israelis do not persecute Christians. Regarding the bulldozed building, the same sort of thing happens here in America and has nothing at all to do with persecution.

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  45. RobertG   December 23, 2013 at 8:02 am

    The persecution of Christians? From the Sanhedrin trying to silence Peter and John to the murder of Stephen to Fetus trying to silence Paul and the murder of the Apostles and Saints we have been warned of and promised this persecution. Roman Emperors, barbarian hordes, mohammaden pirates, socialists and hedonist of every stripe have made war against the Church from the beginning to this very day. Horrible crimes are perpetrated against the Saints in India, China, Asia, Africa.
    So rejoice and give thanks–this IS the persecution Christ told of us. Those who hate Him will have those who follow Him. Do what you can for the Saints under far worse persecution than we suffer–so far.

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  46. Bob   December 23, 2013 at 7:58 am

    It is Obama who is supplying these muslim savages with guns.

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  47. Dave   December 23, 2013 at 7:24 am

    Iraq is part of the Holy Land? I thought from the headline that the article was going to talk about the actual Holy Land in Israel. Notably, the author failed to talk with even one Arab Christian from the Holy Land. Had the article included even one conversation with a Christian from Bethlehem, we would be reading about how oppressive the Israeli occupation is to Arab Muslims AND to Arab Christians.

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    • Ben Dow   December 23, 2013 at 8:27 am

      Christians live freely in Israel…you know nothing…ask any Israeli Christian where he would rather be in the middle east and I guarantee you 100% will say Israel the only democracy in the middle east. I’m an Israeli Christian who lives in Haifa and me and my friend are all going to enlist to the Israeli army because we want to be part of this country that gave us so much after we saw what had happened to all Christians in the middle east – Syria, Iraq and Egypt – very unfortunate

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      • Dave   December 23, 2013 at 9:49 am

        You are not addressing my point. I am talking about the thousands of Arab Christians who live in Bethlehem and other areas of the West Bank. They live under the Israeli occupation which is just as harmful to the Arab Christians as it is to the Arab Muslims in the West Bank.

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        • ML/NJ   December 23, 2013 at 10:11 am

          What Twddle!

          The Christians in Bethlehem, or those few that are left anyway, live under Arab Muslim occupation. That’s not a synagogue that dominates Manger Square these days. The “Israeli Occupation,” as you call it, is no more harmful to Arabs who do not promote violence (Christians don’t promote violence BTW. How many of those Bus Bombers have been Christians do you think?) than the TSA is to you if you want to fly to Chicago; ab it annoying but that’s it.

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        • Ben Dow   December 23, 2013 at 10:30 am

          Bethlehem is under the control of the Palestinian authority not Israel. Israel doesn’t run day to day life and you are right Christians don’t have the kind of life we enjoy under the rule of a democratic Israel which we have representatives in the Keneset.

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        • IW   December 23, 2013 at 10:39 am

          Wrong again, Dave. Bethlehem is under the Palestinian Authority’s jurisdiction. Jews have a very hard time getting in there for that reason. the pressure on the Christians there comes entirely from the Moslems, despite your wet dream fantasies. They are as “under occupation” as you are.

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          • Dave   December 23, 2013 at 12:10 pm

            No need for insults, IW. We can argue here but neither you nor I can speak for Palestinian Christians. But based on what I have heard personally and in the media from Palestinian Christians, the occupation deprives them of basic rights as well. Can you really say with a straight face that the decades-long Israeli military occupation harms only the Palestinian Muslims and not the Palestinian Christians?

          • ML/NJ   December 23, 2013 at 1:04 pm

            You believe the lying left wing media? Go there for yourself and inquire of the people there. I have. I know of exactly one Christian Arab who gets media facetime to denounce the Israelis.

            I know of none who have committed acts of violence against the Israelis. With all the acts of violence over there, surely some of them would have been perpetrated by Christians if they had the same mindset as the Muslims. But they don’t and they haven’t.

          • Dave   December 23, 2013 at 2:19 pm

            Actually I am Republican and proud American. The rest of your response is nonsense – I haven’t addressed the issue of violence perpetrated by anyone.

          • ML/NJ   January 16, 2014 at 1:37 pm

            You might be a Republican and a proud American, and you can say my response was nonsense, but that is only because it disturbed you or you didn’t understand it.

            Find out how many four-year colleges there were in these “occupied territories” before 1967 and compare to how many there are now.

            Find out what the percentage of the Bethlehem population was Christian before and after the Muslims took over there in 1995.

            The numbers aren’t pretty for those who think the Jews are there persecuting Muslims and Christians.

          • Slay Judah   December 23, 2013 at 2:28 pm

            The media is owned and run by Jews, most of whom are Zionists. I guess you are one of the last to learn that.

          • IW   December 23, 2013 at 2:19 pm

            The Palestinians are not deprived of “basic rights” except for the ones they have forfeited by their own violence (checkpoints, etc.). If they could bring themselves to live peacefully in the proximity of a Jew (which they can’t, obviously), there would be no checkpoints and they could run their own lives. I live in this part of the world, and I can tell you firsthand that no one is interested in lording it over the Palestinians. Israel occupies the West Bank because they won it in a war started by the Arabs. Jews live there as a matter of right. Arabs live there, and they live within Israel too. So I’ll tell you with a straight face that the military occupation doesn’t harm anyone that is not a threat, whether Moslem or Palestinian. I have plenty of Palestinian neighbors who live peacefully and they enjoy exactly the same services and rights that I do. Just walk around Jerusalem and see.

          • dave   December 23, 2013 at 7:01 pm

            I am not sure that bigoted remarks are appropriate here (e.g., Palestinians are incapable of peaceful existence). Also, I think you are confused – you say that Palestinians are incapable of peace, yet later you say that you have peaceful Palestinian neighbors. Confusion and ignorance are not a good recipe for thoughtful expression.

            I do not know your citizenship, but as an American, the occupation and control of another people depriving them of liberty and property is incompatible with my beliefs. Such control is also not compatible with my Christian belief in respect for all.

            Ignoring or denying the occupation won’t make it go away.

  48. Cogito   December 23, 2013 at 7:20 am

    The same can be said for the 228,536,000 Christians living in the United States. The purge has yet to begin, but it will be appearing in a theater near you soon!

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    • Lulu   December 23, 2013 at 12:22 pm

      Absolutely. And it is because the American progressives want to pursue not just their love of socialism but also their love of debauchery and immorality of every imaginable kind and not be interfered with. It is Bible-believing Christians who stand in their way. Witness the Phil Robertson thing this past week.

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  49. danny   December 23, 2013 at 7:19 am

    Actually, the goal of the Islam faith is for ALL people to be Muslim. Once accomplished, they can finally get down to armegeddon, Sunni vs. Shia. It will never end.

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    • RobertG   December 23, 2013 at 8:06 am

      Never? It will end in the blink of an eye. Have pity on the Sunni vs. Shia; their eternity will not be with God, there will be no 72 virgins nor green places.

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  50. Marjorie White   December 23, 2013 at 7:06 am

    Read The Five Books of Moses on E or paper by Marjorie White (Xulon Press) for a view of teaching Muslim and Christian students and the responses. It is based on evidence over a decade.

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  51. Joe Macri   December 23, 2013 at 7:00 am

    I see. So Bush and Blair are mentioned as precipitating the final crushing of Christendom in the Middle East, but Obama’s role in the Arab Spring doesn’t bear mentioning?

    I’m shocked, SHOCKED!

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  52. Dan Chure   December 23, 2013 at 6:56 am

    Since Christians relocated Christs birthday to Dec 25 (biblical scholars recognize the birth was actually in the Spring) maybe they should just relocate his birthplace to a safer (for Christians) part of the world.

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    • Wleit   December 23, 2013 at 9:19 am

      Dec 25 is in all actuality a proper date and the spring thing is bogus. Quit with the lie and get into the Scriptures. Dec 25 is no fluke but based on proper calculation. Fact!

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  53. Ward Ciac   December 23, 2013 at 6:22 am

    Obama and Bush destroyed Christianity in the Middle East because they bow to Israel.

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    • IW   December 23, 2013 at 10:04 am

      Err, the only bowing done was Obama to the Saudi monarch. And that’s a country that won’t have a single Church, and where American service personnel were directed to hide their crosses under their shirts to avoid “offending” the Moslems. In contrast, in Israel you see Churches and Christian clergy everywhere and no one bats an eyelash.

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    • DZ313   December 23, 2013 at 11:05 am

      Very true! Israel has taken over the Federal Reserve also.

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      • Rady   December 23, 2013 at 11:42 am

        Yeah, and they’re controlling your brain with radio waves too, I’ll bet.

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        • DZ313   December 23, 2013 at 12:05 pm

          If they were then why would I post a video against them? Nice attempt at trolling though, but you fail.

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          • Rady   December 23, 2013 at 2:48 pm

            Obviously you’re protecting your brain with tin foil. But once that comes off, watch out!

      • Rae   December 23, 2013 at 1:13 pm

        good post with the video dz313

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  54. vlad   December 23, 2013 at 5:51 am

    Its unfortunate that Christians will fall under the boot heel of Islamists unless and until they start being a little more like their persecutors. Its nice, preferable even, to turn the other cheek when you can but there comes a point when you have to roll around in the mud with the pigs if you want to survive. That time is now and Christians worldwide need to get a little more militant about their religion.

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    • Drake   December 23, 2013 at 6:48 am

      You are very right , that time is now . Turning the other cheek no longer works.

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    • Gerson Alvarez   December 23, 2013 at 11:06 am

      As tempting as that is, we would be disobeying a direct command from the Lord and thereby make matters worse. “Vengeance is mine, saith the LORD; I will repay”. Like some have already pointed out, being able to “turn the other cheek” is a sign that one is a genuine follower of Christ. We are expected to lay down our lives for His name’s sake.

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  55. Bob Gaugh   December 23, 2013 at 5:50 am

    Kudos to the Guardian and Kate Henderson for having the courage to run a story on Christian persecution in the Middle East. Most news outlets, especially in the U.S. turn a blind eye. Merry Christmas.

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  56. frank   December 23, 2013 at 5:44 am

    When did Iraq and Syria become the Holy Land, always thought that was Israel, where there is no persecution of anyone, this article is pure propaganda and lies.

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    • Texas Cowman   December 23, 2013 at 7:21 am

      Where there is no persecution of anyone???? In what universe?
      The persecution of Palestinians does not stop at the Christian home. The bulldozers
      push them down too. In fact, this article’s skirting of Israeli persecution
      brands this as a propaganda piece. Even American Christians have noted
      the Israeli persecution of Christians and confiscation of historical property
      of Christians groups that go back to the Crusades and the Roman occupation.

      The citizens of present-day Bethlehem are often terrorized by Zionists.

      Buts as usual, all we get is more bad Muslim stories.

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      • Jack Gordon (JackG)   December 23, 2013 at 7:44 am

        Hogwash. Christians in the Middle East are NOT being persecuted, killed, driven from their homes, raped, forced to convert, etc., by Israelis; Muslims are doing this kind of handiwork. Stop trying to cover up with lying propaganda what anyone with eyes in his head (and a head to use them!) can see. I am Catholic, and if I were forced to live in that area of the world, I would choose Israel with no hesitation.

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      • Ben Dow   December 23, 2013 at 8:31 am

        Christians live freely in Israel…you know nothing…ask any Israeli Arab Christian where he would rather be in the middle east and I guarantee you 100% will say Israel the only democracy in the middle east. I’m an Israeli Christian who lives in Haifa and me and my friend are all going to enlist to the Israeli army because we want to be part of this country that gave us so much after we saw what had happened to all Christians in the middle east – Syria, Iraq and Egypt – very unfortunate

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      • Ron M. (@Jewtastic)   December 23, 2013 at 10:46 am

        Texas Cowman, I’m an Israeli and we are prepared to take up arms and defend Christians in Israel as quickly as we are to defend Jewish Israelis. It’s sad, sad for Christians that so many like you do not realize that Bethlehem has been under Palestinian government control for decades now, that ever since that has been the case Christians are fleeing the birthplace of Christ, fleeing for their lives from Muslim intimidation. They live in fear for their lives not from Israel. As a Christian you have forsaken them in favor of lies. A pox on you and your house Sir for choosing not to see the truth, and instead wallow in old hatreds. Where you have failed, we will pick up the slack and defend them. Zionists as you called us, that’s right.. Christians and Jews fighting for our shared values and freedoms. Zionists.

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        • Lulu   December 23, 2013 at 12:30 pm

          She is an example of some of the ignorant liberals here in America who hate Jews and believe Muslim lies. I just cannot comprehend them. I think it’s a mental disorder.

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    • ploome   December 23, 2013 at 11:30 am

      propaganda and lies?

      what else do you expect from the Guardian?

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  57. gary   December 23, 2013 at 5:42 am

    Notice Obama hasn’t said a word either. Could it be that he favors Muslims?

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  58. stewart Schwartz, New York   December 23, 2013 at 5:39 am

    Typical English bias. Disgusting. How about commenting that the ONLY place that the population of Christians is growing in the entire region is in… yes THE HOLY LAND… Israel!

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  59. Ken Smith   December 23, 2013 at 5:38 am

    And Phil Cohen has never read a history book.

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  60. SSMcDonald   December 23, 2013 at 5:27 am

    Wars, Rumors of war, famine, pestilence…. these are the signs of early pains. Christians everywhere are distressed with the evil that is increasing worldwide. The media shows us some examples in the Middle East, and to a lesser extent it is everywhere, even in our own neighborhoods. Christians need to see this world imploding from God’s point of view and be at peace. Satan is allowed to have his last effort before the return of Jesus; it is what we are today witnessing in this the last generation. Do not be anxious over wars and violence; but be READY when there is suddenly peace declared on earth (a false peace) as antichrist will have arrived as the false messiah, false imitator of peace. Soon thereafter, the reason for Jesus appearing two thousand years ago will become evident as His second coming arrives.
    (For the God haters and detractors, everything I have here stated can be proven from any Bible)

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  61. Martin Jay   December 23, 2013 at 5:16 am

    The article blames the persecution of Christians on Bush’s and Blair’s invasion of Iraq. Nonsense. Islam has persecuted ALL nonbelievers since the seventh century regardless off place or time. Current Islamic cleansings are occurring worldwide. It has nothing to do with Bush of Blair.

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    • Arnold Ripkin   December 23, 2013 at 6:44 am

      Did you know that Christians in Iraq lived in peace under Hussein? My wife was one of them. Didn’t Bush call for revolt in Islamic countries?

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  62. Lu3232   December 23, 2013 at 5:00 am

    these Christians are the greatest saints of all time.

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  63. Sonny   December 23, 2013 at 4:57 am

    The chances for peace started fading with the advent of Islamic fundamentalism; Radicals attacked the Western powers because of their support for Israel. Radical Islamist’s want the destruction of Israel and the exit of of both Christianity and Judaism from the Middle East. This is the first Islamic Crusade to conquer a world that is ignoring the facts. We are at war with Islam.

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    • Bob   December 23, 2013 at 5:23 am

      exactly.

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    • mirted   December 23, 2013 at 6:12 am

      Sonny: The Quran/Koran and Hadiths tell us Jihad is inherent to them. Destruction of Israel will not stop Jihad. Being “moderate” as a Muslim is by definition, Apostate for all true believers in Islam. The “West” only thought Jihad had ended. It’s been ongoing since the 600’s, only elsewhere that is “out of sight/mind” of Europe/North America.

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  64. Shan Gill   December 23, 2013 at 4:49 am

    Unfortunately, the ‘Allah’ of the quran bears little resemblance to God, the Father. In Surah 3:54, Allah calls himself “the greatest of all deceivers.” On the other hand, God, the Father, neither deceives, nor can He be deceived. There is a reason that the Church, on initial inspection of Islam some 13 centuries ago or so, declared Islam a heresy. While we can pray for the conversion of Muslims, we must be wary.

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  65. John Hartman   December 23, 2013 at 4:48 am

    Jesus… The Name that every heart recognizes. Every knee shall bow.. He is the Light of the World. Just ever so briefly at this time of the year we remember His hope. Merry Christmas.

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  66. E B   December 23, 2013 at 4:31 am

    Thank you for your article. I had forgotten that the Koran includes Christ though I knew it before. It would be good for you to cite when and where there has been peace between Islam and Christianity. I think you must mean within the Middle East itself, since Americans don’t generally study Middle Eastern history. Instead, we think of the Moors in Spain, for example. Or the Turks in Eastern Europe. Though it is true that in Bulgaria they say 50 years of communism destoyed the Orthodox Church that had lasted through 500 years of the Ottoman Empire.

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    • Lulu   December 23, 2013 at 12:34 pm

      The Jesus of the Koran is not the Christ of the Bible.

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  67. Mel Mason   December 23, 2013 at 4:23 am

    you ;lost me at Tony Blair and George Bush. Deeply devout? Really? Your story lost all credibility,

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    • mary scott   December 23, 2013 at 7:01 am

      Exactly, wolves in sheep’s clothing. Skull and Bonesmen, devout? Luciferians maybe.
      They are all globalists who couldn’t care less about Christian persecution.
      They carry a Bible and wrap themselves in the flag, and it is all for show.
      They will answer for their actions and inactions at the Great White Throne Judgment.

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      • Lulu   December 23, 2013 at 12:36 pm

        You are playing the mind reader now. You have no idea what is in their hearts. This globalist Luminati stuff is just paranoia.

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  68. Phil Cohen   December 23, 2013 at 4:07 am

    “the history of Islamic-Christian relations has long, respectful roots.”

    ?????

    You are either insane, ignorant, or an Islamic propagandist… or combination of all three.

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    • Dave Arcan   December 23, 2013 at 7:31 am

      Well said Phil, truth needs to be told.

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