Nelson Mandela, Death, Dishonesty and Denial

Nelson Mandela, Death, Dishonesty and Denial

After weeks of speculation, South African court documents revealed that Nelson Mandela is, by all intents and purposes, dead. What followed his death is a tale of dishonesty and denial – staining the South African Government and its public institutions.

The documents, part of a legal filing in a Mandela family dispute, reveal that doctors told the family of the former President that “He is in a permanent vegetative state and is assisted in breathing by a life support machine…The Mandela family has been advised by the medical practitioners that his life support machine should be switched off.”

The court documents containing this revelation are dated June 26th; one day before The Guardian Express reported that Madiba – the tribal name by Nelson Mandela, Death, Dishonesty and Denialwhich Mandela is often known – had passed away.

Mandela’s health had been declining for some time and on June 8th, he was rushed to the Medi-clinic Heart Hospital in Pretoria to be treated for a recurring lung infection. As the days passed, South Africans gathered in vigil outside the hospital and the South African government urged people to pray for the former President, who is considered a hero in South Africa for leading the nation out of Apartheid and becoming the county’s first black national leader.

Updates on Mandela’s health have fluctuated between ominous and optimistic in the days and weeks that followed. The whole nation was mired in dishonesty and denial over Mandela’s death. On June 23rd, South African government officials announced that his condition had deteriorated and CNN reported that he was now no longer able to breathe unassisted and had been placed on life support. On June 25th, the day that – according to The Guardian Express – Mandela died, his closest family members had gathered for a meeting in his childhood home of Qunu, in South Africa’s Eastern Cape Province. That evening, the family was joined at Mandela’s bedside by Cape Town Archbishop Thabo Makgoba. Nelson Mandela was Christian, although there seems some dispute as to which branch of the faith he belonged. A family gathering at his bedside, with an Archbishop in attendance, on the very evening that – according to The Guardian Express – he passed away, seems more than coincidental.

Days later, South African President Jacob Zuma – along with other government and ANC officials – were describing Mandela’s condition as improving.  Zuma repeatedly told the People of South Africa that the nation’s beloved icon was “critical but stable”.

Nelson Mandela, Death, Dishonesty and DenialWe now know that Zuma and the ANC were lying. The Guardian Express timeline of events can be found here. Even if Mandela had been still alive, there is no possibility that his condition was improving.  According to the McGraw-Hill Concise Dictionary of Modern Medicine, a “permanent vegetative state” – more commonly called “persistent vegetative state” (PVS) – is a condition characterized by “no behavioral evidence of awareness of self or surroundings in a learned manner, other than reflex activity of muscles and nerves for low level conditioned response,” and “from which to a reasonable degree of medical probability, there can be no recovery.”

Cheryl Arenella MD, MPH, in an article entitled Coma and Persistent Vegetative State: An Exploration of Terms, writes “A person in a vegetative state can no longer “think,” reason, relate meaningfully with his/her environment, recognize the presence of loved ones, or “feel” emotions or discomfort. The higher levels of the brain are no longer functional.”

Later reports from South Africa revealed ongoing construction of new roads in Qunu; presumably, to accommodate mourners. In addition – even whilst official accounts insisted that the former President and leader of the African National Congress (ANC) was still clinging to life – reports emerged of a legal tussle between Mandela family members, regarding the site of his eventual resting place. Most assumed that Mandela would be buried in Qunu, where he grew up and had his retirement home.  Grandson Mandla Mandela, however, had planned to ensure that his grandfather was laid to rest in the nearby village of Mvezo, where he, Mandla, holds the position of chief. Mandla had already had the bodies of three of Mandela’s children exhumed from their graves in Qunu and reburied in Mvezo. Other family members are currently attempting to have the courts compel Mandla to return the bodies to Qunu. It is this legal battle that led to the revelation over Mandela’s condition. What’s more, one might ask, why would Mandla execute such an action if he believed his grandfather would recover? Did Mandela’s grandson know he would never have to answer to Madiba? How did he know?

Media organizations – both in South Africa and overseas – have been criticized for speculating over Mandela’s condition, particularly since he was Nelson Mandela, Death, Dishonesty and Denialreadmitted to the hospital. The government, the ANC organization and members of Mandela’s family have been urging people to remain calm and have also expressed their displeasure with the press. Although there have been numerous erroneous reports of Mandela’s passing from as early as late 2012, The Guardian Express was the first media organization in the United States – possibly, the world – to report his death as having happened Tuesday evening; this, after our South African correspondent, Laura Oneale, was notified by a very well-placed source. Even after publishing the news Wednesday, The Guardian Express, whilst having complete confidence in this source, continued its attempts to uncover further details and determine why news of Mandela’s death, or at least his presumption of death, was being concealed. Without absolute confirmation of the reasons behind the cover-up, The Guardian Express initially decided to publish no further articles on the subject. Likely factors, however, were security fears, particularly in light of President Obama’s important, impending arrival.

The decision regarding whether or not to publish the story was not easy; one of the site’s senior editors argued against it. The site initially published three stories, commenting on his death – links to these stories are listed at the foot of this article. The original source – because of their position – was determined to have sufficient credibility, although The Guardian Express senior staff continued searching for further information, including several phone calls to Mandela’s hospital. At no point, during any of these calls, were journalists or editors from The Guardian Express told that Mandela was alive; on one such call, the question “is Mandela Alive?” was asked and was met by a lengthy pause, followed by the statement that staff members did not have any information and had been told to give out no information.

In the interests of journalistic integrity, the site was not prepared to retract the story unless conclusive evidence was obtained that showed Mandela still to be alive; no such evidence was discovered, neither at that time, nor at any time since. Other media outlets that published word of Madiba’s passing quickly retracted their stories.

Since the publication of the first articles relating to Mandela’s death, every assertion that he was still alive has originated from Jacob Zuma, ANC officials and/or the Mandela family, who, sadly, appear to have been coerced or duped into perpetuating the deception. Every media outlet that continues to report on the state of Mandela’s health is basing its reporting on official sources and interviews with family members. No-one, other than the medical staff at the Medi-clinic Heart Hospital, the family or the government has seen Mandela since the day The Guardian Express reported his death. Not even President Obama was allowed to see him. There is, therefore, not one shred of evidence that he remains alive. The Guardian Express, however, has a very well-placed source confirming that Mandela is no longer with us. In that light, breaking the story was a bold, but logical, decision.

Nelson Mandela, Death, Dishonesty and DenialAccording to a report Thursday in South Africa’s Independent Online, the Mandela family has refused to allow his life-support apparatus to be switched off until the remains of his children are relocated to Qunu. If this is, in fact, the only reason that Mandela is still, to this day, on life support, then the family has already accepted that he is dead; they are merely delaying  making the fact ‘technically’ final, in order that the respected elder statesman not be buried alone.

Although Mandela’s death is all but officially admitted – and likely will not be- (as this would confirm that the South African government has been deceiving the nation) The Guardian Express has always maintained that he did, in fact, leave us Tuesday evening, as reported. This belief is confirmed by several factors, one being that between Tuesday evening and the present time, no evidence has been produced that Mandela was still alive. Additionally, The Guardian Express website has, over the past few days, been subjected to several cyber attacks, which have taken the site offline for varying periods of time. These attacks appear to have originated in South Africa. Were it true that Mandela had still been alive after The Guardian Express reported his death, the publication would almost certainly have received official – and, quite possibly, even legal – demands for a retraction and apology. Instead, the website has been the target of crude attempts to silence it. Has the ANC graduated from actual terrorism to cyber terrorism?

As anticipation of President Obama’s visit mounted, the White House was quick to play down the prospects of a visit to Mandela’s bedside. In hindsight, it is clear that this was an attempt to preempt the embarrassing and precarious situation of Obama being forced to pretend to have met with a dead man.

The government of South Africa, assuming – correctly – that the man’s death will be the overwhelming focus of the world’s attention, will probably never address the issue of exactly when he died. Their assertion, regarding the timing of his death, may never been disproven. By the same token, The Guardian Express reports of his death Tuesday will stand, without verifiable contradiction. There will be those who maintain we were premature and not accurate, but the impeccable credentials of our South African source completely neutralize those claims.

Not wanting to lose their icon, the majority of South Africans have been in denial over Mandela’s death, resulting in their eager acceptance of their government’s dishonesty.

The Guardian Express does not cheer Mandela’s passing, but – now that these court documents reveal the true date of his death – its reporting on the matter stands alone.

As for Madiba, history will be good to him. Although he was no saint, he was – undeniably – a hero and an inspiration to many.

Graham J Noble



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414 Responses to "Nelson Mandela, Death, Dishonesty and Denial"

  1. ANTI-mandela!   January 2, 2014 at 7:41 am


  2. ANTI-mandela!   January 2, 2014 at 7:39 am

    ME TOO !!!!! South Africa would have been a MUCH better place had this terrorist NEVER seen the light of day !!!!

  3. ANTI-mandela!   January 2, 2014 at 7:36 am

    YOUR WORDS – NOT MINE !!! RECOGNIZE THEM ???? >>> The whole nation was mired in dishonesty and denial over Mandela’s death. <<<

  4. Phakamile Buthelezi   December 25, 2013 at 9:54 am

    Wow people like Leo are disgusting!!! I just wanna puke at people seeking to justify racial segregation, you animals are disgusting!!! I’m glad the ANC did bomb some of your sick animals, I mean anyone who thinks their superior to other races is just simply disgusting!!! Kick a bucket already, the world needs less of you!!!

  5. Nandi   December 11, 2013 at 12:14 am

    Martina Bieker, to put a person in a breathing machine does not mean disrespect. Remember, Tata Madiba was in prison for 27 years. His kids grew up without him being present at home as a father figure. His kids suffered the cruelty of the white government with no one protecting them. Their mother was disrespected and humiliated by the white government and you have never stopped the white government from doing that.
    Madiba’s family was still enjoying to have him at home because that is something they were not used to. So you must understand the reason why they were clinging to him

    • arnieannd   December 11, 2013 at 2:51 am

      Ag Shame !!
      Most blacks do not even know who their farthers were. And what about the bombed victims farthers, mothers families and children?????
      Just get your mind in order and think beyond the length of your nose.

  6. Leo   December 9, 2013 at 12:27 am

    Mandela was a great man, despite his imperfections and shady past. LET HE THAT IS FREE OF SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE. We are all guilty….so build a bridge and get over yourselves. Mandela cannot be stoned for the actions of a whole governing body and neither can all whites be stoned for the sins of a government which deceived them as well. Live for the future and let the past be a lesson to us all. I sincerely hope whoever comes to power in the next elections will bring this country back to it’s previous glory and chase all the corrupt ones into the sea.

  7. Leo   December 9, 2013 at 12:10 am

    Willem, you are seriously misinformed my friend. At the same time the white settlers were travelling North, the Sotho, Xhosa, Zulu etc. were travelling south to find grazing for their cattle. The noble bushman was the OWNERS of this land everybody proclaim to be theirs. The white settlers and all other races were overcome by greed and murdered the Xhoi San people onto the brink of extinction ( just as the Americans did to the IIndigenous indians and the Germans to the Jews and the Hutu to the Tutsi.etc). If anyone can stand up and cry LAND GRABBING, It’s the bushman who were here first and believed in living in harmony with nature. The other black nations moved in an left everything they touched barren, animals and trees dissappear overnight where they set foot. The white settlers introduced so much technology that the rivers and underground reservoirs became poisonous and the land was turned upside down. All of you had apart in the destruction of this beautiful place and now you are fighting for the scraps. All idiots if you ask me….

  8. Leo   December 8, 2013 at 11:54 pm

    Seems to me all these people commenting on this issue are either teenagers or very young , thats reading between the lines of course. Being there and being a witness earns you the podium to comment. Commenting on such serious issues if you are misinformed or talking out of books and newspapers is just not on. I witnessed both the apartheid government and the anc government’s rule and can honestly say that the anc ran this country into the ground !!!. Public services, roads, sewerage, parks, schools and countless other infrastructures are in such a state of neglect and disrepair that it would NEVER recover. The Police and Army is a joke….if they cannot fight common criminal, how will they protect us against trained military personnel. I’ve seen my town turn from award winning municipality to a slum in 15 years. Most of my black friends and colleagues yearn for the prosperity the apartheid government provided and do not believe the deceptions of the anc government, cause they’ve also witnessed the demise of a wonderful country. Nelson Mandela was an International icon for bringing a peaceful transition to South Africa, but at what cost…..

  9. ANTI-mandela!   December 6, 2013 at 6:26 pm

    Dear Guardian Express and ALL other media – PLEASE refrain from using phrases like “the WHOLE of South Africa” , “the WHOLE nation” , “ALL South Africans” , etc. PLEASE DO NOT SPEAK ON MY AND THE OTHER MILIONS OF NON-mandela-SUPPORTERS’ BEHALF WHEN YOU WRITE CARBAGE LIKE “he was a hero to all” – MILIONS (MYSELF INCLUDED) DID NOT REGARD HIM AS ANYTHING MORE THAN A MURDEROUS TERRORIST !!! I FOR ONE, will ALWAYS remember this atheist as a TRAITOR and the FILTH who ordered the BRUTAL MURDERS of NUMEROUS INNOCENT South Africans !!!

  10. ANTI-mandela!   December 6, 2013 at 6:22 pm

    Dear Guardian Express and ALL other media – PLEASE refrain from using phrases like “the WHOLE of South Africa” , “the WHOLE nation” , “ALL South Africans” , etc. PLEASE DO NOT SPEAK ON MY AND THE OTHER MILIONS OF NON-mandela-SUPPORTERS’ BEHALF WHEN YOU WRITE CARBAGE LIKE “he was a hero to all” – MILIONS (MYSELF INCLUDED) DID NOT REGARD HIM AS ANYTHING MORE THAN A MURDEROUS TERRORIST !!! I FOR ONE, will ALWAYS remember this atheist as a TRAITOR and the FILTH who ordered the BRUTAL MURDERS of NUMEROUS INNOCENT South Africans !!! May his CORRUPT soul NEVER rest !!!

    • Graham Noble   December 6, 2013 at 6:53 pm

      I’m not disputing your views on Mandela; I neither entirely agree nor disagree and you are entitled to your opinion. I do, however, dispute your ability to read. I have not used a single word or phrase in this article that suggests that “all” South Africans felt or believed anything.

    • Russell Wright   December 9, 2013 at 9:30 pm

      Your opinion of Mandela seems as much at odds with world opinion as world opinoin on apartheid was…why is that I wonder.

  11. Michael Tours   December 6, 2013 at 12:40 am

    R.I.P Madiba

    Finally, the dishonesty of the authors of these Pathetic headline grabbing articles on Guardian LV have been exposed!!

    You were ALL wrong. And whilst you pathetically defended your positions by suggesting everyone else who didn’t believe your lies was in denial, it has well and truly blown up in your faces.

    It is indeed you, the authors, who were in denial – about the lies your articles spread.

    I’m so glad we can finally put this nonsense to bed … RIP Madiba, there will always be those who wish to profit(instead of learn) from your greatness!

    • jovvy   December 6, 2013 at 12:54 am

      Really? Hahah! Where and how was this “dishonesty” supposedly “exposed”? G, man… eventually they HAD to announce his death, because, come on, get real… how long can you keep it a secret? The Mandela family and government (and whoever else was involved in the cover-up) were just waiting long enough for things to “fall in place” before they could announce his death officially. Perhaps their time was up and they are only now following orders.

      • Graham Noble   December 6, 2013 at 6:56 am

        Thank you. My point exactly. This Tours guy has had it in for us ever since we first wrote about Mandela.

        The amount of spite he has shown towards us is indicative of an ulterior motive. What that is, I don’t know: Failed journalist (or blogger, more likely)? Successful journalist but working for a publication that is less successful than our own? Jealous that he wasn’t up to speed on the whole sordid affair? Who knows?

        He’s a very bitter and angry person, for some reason.

  12. stanley   December 6, 2013 at 12:28 am

    Well, well, well dont matter how good or bad Madiba was. The ANC and ruling party after 20 years, struggle with them seives to try and cope. They had the time, money and expertize available to ensure South Africa to become a better country. Insread, what example can they bring foward, speaking about Madiba in the same breath as an icon and get away with corruption, murder, lies and so on. Dont mention his goodness if you are not equal valued….that will ensure your not riding a blind horse. Example, 2000 BC the Romans built the colousseum, now, 2000 AC with resources and money you can only still built mud houses. Where did you miss evelution? I mean the RDP houses are falling apart, in a few years after erecting.
    example 2, Oranje, 20 years ago started with zero, today they are self efficient, have their own currency and zero crime.
    why cant we do the same?
    Try to be good and be good is two different ossues…..

  13. R.W.Brindle   December 4, 2013 at 10:54 am

    In truth Nelson is probably on a life support system which will not be switched off as the family has much to gain financially with the production of movies and minting of coins etc which have been in the pipeline for a long time.His ideals will be cherished but, he was just a tool used by others to enrich themselves.

  14. Taariq   December 3, 2013 at 2:30 am

    All he has are my prayers…the ANC and Madiba’s family, atleast the elders and those heading it…both suck imo…i can’t really mourne the mans death anymore, been too confused about it for so long…so peace to you Tata, you did well, sorry it didn’t turn out the way you wanted

  15. Belinda   December 2, 2013 at 1:25 pm

    Yes Thembi, you are right…..I wouldn’t be where I am today………… ABROAD!!!!!

  16. Thembi   December 2, 2013 at 12:32 pm

    Sure enough our country is blemished, but do you all not see what this is doing to us? Reading all your comments, I’m seeing a tug of war! With all the video clips and newspaper clippings and and and, it’s like the country is on the brink of a civil war. Whatever your ideologies, do not impose them upon other people, before you even posted you comment, did you stop to think that what has been personal to you is now political? Because whether you choose to accept it or not, by airing it here, it’s now political.
    Terrorism this, apartheid that, stereotype this, apartheid that… YOU ALL HAVE DIGRESSED FROM THE TOPIC AT HAND: ‘Is Mandela really still alive???’

    Where other politics are concerned, the end justifies the means! If Mandela sacrificially gave 27yrs of his life, missing out in important events ie. Birthdays, Christmases, Easters(being Christian and all), and so forth… What with him doing it for the ‘Greater Good’ of course , freedom being an ideal he was prepared to die for, YOU ARE STUPID FOR HOLDING ON TO HIS SHORTCOMINGS!! What effort did YOU make???


  17. Sharon   November 28, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    I can not believe that I am reading this, why must our president lie about Nelson Mandela’s death and even the family, why the majority of the people will now think that word of Tata being alive and well will bring more ANC voters and I doubt that very much. My mom always said if you lie you steel and I believe in her statement. What does this say about our MR. Zuma, can’t be good just typical?

  18. Belinda   November 28, 2013 at 3:51 pm

    I speak on behalf of the “majority of South Africans have been in denial over Mandela’s death, resulting in their eager acceptance of their government’s dishonesty.” The majority of South Africans as you say, were placed under the exact same illusion that Mandela was and is still alive. Most of them only knew what the media told them, and if all the other journalists kept on retracting their statements that he is dead, what did you expect us to believe? I personally saw the Guardian’s first post that said he was dead, and i could very well believe it (and i did and still do). However, to insinuate that the SAns are eager in accepting the government’s dishonesty is a blatant misconception and frankly plain stupid!! We are screaming for help to the outside world about our dishonest government, but the outside world would not help. Just within this last week Australia refused to help white SAn refugees!! Rather tell me what you guys are doing to help us overcome this sick, twisted and dishonest government with a crime rate that exceeds all other countries, instead of just sitting there and judging how the “majority”, who mind you are also innocent and victimized people, are supposedly feeling.

    • Graham Noble   November 28, 2013 at 5:22 pm

      Your comment is fair. Please bear in mind that I wrote this article in July. I truly believe that, at that time, the majority of South Africans were indeed not willing to believe he was dead. That belief was supported by our publication’s South African writers and other contacts.

      I think there has been a change since then and I do not believe that, four months later, the majority of South Africans continue to blindly accept the official line.

      As for the rampant corruption within your country’s political leadership: In my opinion, the current situation in South Africa was inevitable from the moment the ANC came to power. It is the responsibility of South Africans to rid themselves of corrupt politicians, just as it is the responsibility of Americans to rid themselves of a corrupt and extremist government.

      Thanks for your comment.

    • Russell Wright   November 28, 2013 at 8:38 pm

      Speak for yourself Belinda not for me.

  19. dlozi   November 25, 2013 at 12:24 pm

    this is my first time to see this article , i remember what i said on the 27th of June on Facebook, i told my friends that it is impossible for Mandela to live this long with the life sunspot machine 2 the media reported that the doctors are planning to switch off the machines and send tata Mandela to home, this is where we had to open our eyes and see that tata has gone already, but even today most of the south African they are still waiting for for the day of death of tata to come. THERE IS NO TRUTH IN THIS WORLD. i remember when the American president Obama came to south Africa, cape town,i remember i saw those black cars in Adderley street it was reported that he did not went to see Mandela in Pretoria the question to me was “WHY”. now looking at this (“Nelson Mandela was Christian, although there seems some dispute as to which branch of the faith he belonged) quoted from the article , i end up having lot of questions , 1 why a such satanic country president came to south Africa , and we were told that he never went to see tata, 2 what was the main reason to hide the death of tata , 2 is there Illuminati in south Africa or not? if one can answer me these questions then i will be happy.

  20. Jacky   November 22, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    its funny reading all the comments, I just have to sit and laugh at all these stupid arguments about the past, yet the majority all wonder why South Africa is still not developing like it should be? why are we all arguing? why aren’t we standing together and completing what Mandela has started (and almost accomplished)? we all love him so much yet there is still violence, racism, corruption, treason etc? I will pray for you all and I will pray for a better South Africa because its such and amazingly beautiful country with beautiful people and amazing cultures and one day we will hopefully learn how to work together and see how amazing life will be!

  21. chips   November 22, 2013 at 4:07 am

    You people are all sick. I would also do what Madiba did to get my freedom and freedom for my people. We may have to do what he did soon. Because this anc government is gonna screw everything up and I am tired of all this crap.

  22. Colleen   November 21, 2013 at 12:54 pm

    Nelson Mandela was a Politician – I like to believe an honest and moral one, but a Politician never the less. I am sure that most of us “ordinary” people realise that Politicians are generally greedy, power-mad, self-serving and usually corrupt individuals – as the saying goes “those among us who should be politicians shy away from that career, but the people who should not be politicians are the very ones who are”
    No matter whether you consider Mandela to be a good or bad person, the fact is that he did guide the vast and angry majority (Black people) to accept and integrate with the so-called oppressors (White minority)in a peaceful way when the ANC won the elections. Without his leadership at the time, there would have undoubtedly been bloody-letting and carnage in the country.
    However, he was one of the founders of both Luthuli and Chancellor House – the latter being the financial arm of the ANC – which has proven to be a totally corrupt entity. It has been used syphon countless billions of Rands from the fiscal to fund the ANC which in turn is funding a small elite number of politically well connected individuals who have become SA’s new obscenely rich millionaires and billionaires – all at the expense of the mainly Black poor people.
    As a result of the current public infighting amongst he Mandela family, we are aware of just how obscenely rich they have become in the last 20 years.
    In conclusion, just like everyone else, I am appalled at the way in which Mandela is being kept “alive” – it is totally undignified and cruel. For all anybody knows, he could be in severe pain but unable to communicate this fact – a living hell.
    Equally as unacceptable is the vast amount of taxpayers’ money which is being totally wasted by this macabre and futile decision of his family to prolong Mandela’s “life”
    This is money which should be spent on uplifting the living who are destitute and struggling. Mandela’s official “Children’s Fund” Charity should be benefitting from this money – not his biological children who are manipulating his death to suit their own ends!

    • Russel   November 27, 2013 at 8:47 am

      This is so sad that a political organisation can play God for their own evil means! The ANC will keep him alive for as long as they choose in order to gain leverage in the next elections. This party has NEVER had any respect for human life or dignity of others – yet the sheep all follow and make their crossed on the familiar space on the ballot! Wake up and smell the roses – everything has a season which comes to an end – Madiba, Hani, The ANC etc etc …..

  23. Johann C   November 21, 2013 at 6:16 am

    What the hell are you people on about. The man did what he did in the old days, came out of jail and tried his level best to unite a very divided country. It was good in the Mandela years. The rabble, riffraff, and pillagers that followed him are the ones you should be worried about. I am am white and a product of apartheid. I served in their army and was brainwashed by their doctrine but, I’ve put all of that behind me and are willing to move on. It is however, not easy with this new bunch of idiots aka The Government that are in power right now. I have had enough of their corruption, dishonesty, lies, BEE, stupidity and all the rest. We as a nation had a chance to show the world something special, How a nation could shed its past and move forward but that was not to be and we have missed our chance.

    All we have proven to the world is that we are just another sorry African state that have thrown of the chains of oppression, came to power and have been absolutely corrupted by it. The very people that voted for a better life are now the ones suffering under yet another oppressive government who are lining their pockets whilst the rest hardly see the crumbs all in the name of uhuru,freedom or whatever you want to call it. The legacy of Africa I suppose.

    Seeing all of this must eat at the very soul of Madiba. I’m sure this was not what he had in mind. Wish he came out of jail earlier so he had more time to run the country. Nelson Mandela is an icon and somebody that commanded a lot of respect. I say Viva Tata Viva.

  24. ydbabe   November 21, 2013 at 2:08 am

    You are all liars and you don’t know anything about being free from aphartheid….lets not talk about what he did or did not do…South Africa has challenges like any other developing country, but we are getting there…I bet most of you are traitors that lived by selling your own people to the aphartheid system for money; hence you don’t realise. some countries are going through civil wars. if it was not for Mandela, south african would be dying… where would most of you live.. look arround and be greatful. This is the new democratic country.. you don’t have to vote ANC, there are other parties. stop mourning and do something.. you just p!$$ me off.

    • WJ   December 6, 2013 at 12:41 am

      lol open your eyes SA is dying

  25. xabiso   November 20, 2013 at 1:21 pm

    Geeeez people,terrorist or not,the man is dead and he deserve a little bit of respect……..

    • Russell Wright   November 20, 2013 at 9:01 pm

      Unless advised otherwise I choose to believe he’s still alive. Terrorist or not he deserves our respect for being the man who saved us all from ourselves.

  26. Lynn Atkinson   November 20, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Look around you. Mandela did nothing for Black people. And the British (whites in case there is any confusion) educated him to be a lawyer. How many blacks have got a similar education from Mandela or the ANC. A committed Communist. A stooge for Slovo. And he admitte terrorism at his trial, lest we forget…

  27. kittu   November 19, 2013 at 7:21 am

    Shame on you, those that can speak ill of an old man that has suffered so much physically and in health just for a better life for all. Shame on you, because of him you are able to express your views like you are doing now. So much for giving people rights and freedom of speech yet some of them throw it back in his face.

  28. Leonard Cilliers   November 18, 2013 at 3:24 pm

    laat die man tog rus ek is n afrikaner en ek sal opstaan vir mandela hy was n goeie man ja hy het sy voute gehaat almal het voute….. as julle almal net van die begin af saam gewerk het en nie besluit het wit voor swart agter nie sou die lank nie so n vok op gewees het nie…….. wat as dit anders om was en die wit agter en swart voor en wit moes 2de gekom het ons sou die selfde reageer het as hulle n vel kleur maak nie n verskil nie mense is mense maak nie saak wat jou kleur vel of kultuur is nie…. dinge ruk hand uit maar dis ons eie skuld hoekom dit so gaan… hoekom kom die oorsee se lande goed oor die weg omdat almal daar as een staan… meeste lande is en was waar ons nou is en was en dit sal regkom as almal net vokken saam staan….. ek dink ons moet ruil wit moet vir n maand swart wees en swart wit en kyk hoe dit voel… niemand kan die verlede verandr nie maar hoekom terug kyk na die verlede as ons n better toekoms kan bou vir ons kinders en ophou rasisties wees teen oor mekaar julle maak dit net moeilik vir julle self………… Dalk is dit GOD se plan om te sien of mense saam kan staan maak nie saak wat die verkil in kleur geslag of kultuur mag wees nie…. GOD het n plan en hy sal versorg al voel dit parykeer nie so nie daar is n doel en rede vir als in die lewe wat gebeur….. niemand het die reg om n ander persoon te judge nie NET GOD het daaie reg en ek glo nie eers hy judge so erg soo wat mens op aarde doen nie….. ek is 19 gebore 1994 born free… ek ek gee nie n vok om oor die verlede nie wie presedent was wie wat gedoen het wie op die maan was nie en nog minder gee ek om wat n ander persoon van my dink of se nie… dis my lewe niemand anders sin nie en ek lewe dit soos ek dit wil lewe… lewe vir vandag more is n geskenk……

    • arnieannrnie   December 6, 2013 at 10:17 pm

      Iemand wat soveel foute ( voute) in sy skrywe maak, sal waarskynlik ook vele ander oortuigings foute maak en glo.
      Mandela was ‘n moordenaar en het dit self erken.

  29. Dee   November 18, 2013 at 2:11 pm

    Willem jy is nou wragtig die onnoselste witmens wat ek nog tee gekom het. Gaan lees Amerikaanse geskiedenis en 200 plus jr voor suid afrika in die suide het die amerikaners die swart slawe en swart mense tot in die vore 90’s prontuit vermoor en gemartel, in Suid Afrika was die apartheids regime miskien naar teenoor swart mense maar ten minste het hulle nie gedoen wat die amerikaners het nie en tot vandag toe nog daarmee wegkom net omdat hulle dit nie apartheid genoem het nie. Miskien moet jy jou geskiedenis bietjie update of jy is maar een van daai dom blankes wat stupid sal bly die res van jou lewe.

  30. Thring   November 18, 2013 at 9:24 am

    I read this article and I am inclined to believe it. . .
    Just found it funny that I read the captions on E news tonight saying , J. Zuma went to visit Mandela at his home!

  31. willem   November 18, 2013 at 6:48 am

    I cant believe what iam reading, but mybe its the best fo all of as.

  32. Michelle   November 18, 2013 at 4:11 am

    Mr Mandela never used any weapons of terror in a personal capacity – he was sentanced to jail for “TREASON” not terrorism! I sincerely hope the truth of his condition (alive or not) is finally revealed so that his family, friends and those of our country who love and respect him can have the opportunity to say goodbye to an amazing man.

  33. Dominic Benedetto   November 16, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    What’s his condition now? Burning in hell.

  34. jan   November 15, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    JA Willem jy het nie net die afrikaaner veraai nie maar jou eie oupa ook

    • Willem   November 27, 2013 at 12:33 pm

      ek is bly!…you Afrikaners/whites never paid properly for the crimes that were committed during the apartheid reign…you never even admitted to it and/or asked for forgiveness for your people’s hateful disregard and treatment of the majority of your fellow South Africans…regarding yourself (which I’m sure you still do as of today) as superior!…sies!!

      • Johan   November 27, 2013 at 1:26 pm

        You can fool some (many) people some of the time but you can’t fool everyone all of the time.

      • Jonelle   November 29, 2013 at 1:26 pm

        Paid properly for your crimes? Eerstens Willem, ek was 2 jaar oud in 1994, so vir wat moet ek betaal? En tweedens, is plaasmoorde, ongelykheid, dreigemente van die regering en onregverdigheid nie genoeg nie? En “superior”, ekskuus? Wie regeer die land (van die wal af in die sloot in nogals)? Kry jou feite agter mekaar, Apartheid is verby (al 20 jaar terug!). Die wittes het die swart mense ‘n kans gegee. En wat het gebeur? Ag maar shame, laat hulle maar geld steel en onskuldige mense vermoor, want hulle was PREVIOUSLY disadvantaged. Het vandag ‘n artikel gelees oor ‘n arme 70 jarige vrou wat aangeval is vir haar handsak, maar dis ok, want Apartheid. Is mos hoe dit werk, of hoe?

        • Rosemary   November 30, 2013 at 1:25 am

          I am ashamed of the hype that is being made of the release of Mandela’s film ‘long walk to freedom’ in the knowledge that he is still a prisoner today and they are milking every way to make money out of his life. Where is the freedom in a specially built ICU unit in Houghton with doctors and nurses , the same ones who nursed him in hospital, 24 hours a day. Many of my friends, I am white and they are black, agree that only his body and machines is not a life. Is it because of the elections in April 2014. Many ANC will leave as they are loyal to Mandela. Our country is being raped and nothing is done. The State President stated that in Gauteng we are not Africans. Are they all crazy or are they trying to drive us crazy. I live in harmony with the black people around me. They come to me for advice and I help to care for their little ones. PLEASE turn off the machines the bodies are back a Qunu the court cases finished. Lets finish with dignity his legacy of freedom.

  35. joan   November 15, 2013 at 1:12 pm

    may his soul rest in peace.

  36. Rudi Jansen   November 15, 2013 at 6:14 am

    Everyone must die let him go

    • faithfulnesss   November 17, 2013 at 2:01 pm

      waaat? not everyone will die Rudi…

  37. Ian   November 15, 2013 at 5:06 am

    Deon, your are obviously a total and utter doos (illiterate too). What is riddins? Knobhead

    • Willem   November 27, 2013 at 12:22 pm

      another dumb ‘boerseun’! :)…no wonder him and some of his kind are being murdered/thinned out…good riddance I say!…better get your gun and your bible ready Dean, make your last stand! hehe

  38. dollz   November 15, 2013 at 4:49 am

    ANC terrorists??? for a news paper you do need to get your facts rights,this one statement made me question all that you have written?at what point do people who are fighting for their right to freedom become terrorists?dont be ignorant and stupid.

    • Graham Noble   November 15, 2013 at 7:19 am

      When you kill unarmed people in order to coerce a government to change its policies, you are – by definition – a terrorist; regardless of whether or not you, personally, condone the tactic or oppose that government.

      It is you who needs to get your facts straight.

    • Innocent Mahlangu   November 17, 2013 at 7:22 am

      When you watch the upcoming film, Mandela, you will see that the ANC resorted to planting bombs and killing hundreds of innocent people. Doesn’t that sound like terrorists to you?

    • Arnold   December 6, 2013 at 10:25 pm

      Dus, volgens jou argument, het die “Boeremag” ook daardie reg ????

  39. Bev   November 15, 2013 at 3:57 am

    Bolekwa, you should get your facts straight. When exactly did Nelson Mandela “blow up innocent people”

  40. Willem   November 15, 2013 at 3:44 am

    If it was not for the Afrikaner Nationalists (read Nazi/National Socialist) and their hated policies (rightly so), Mandela would not have had to resort to whatever he resorted to…I am a white South African and was a member of the ANC while the organization was in exile/banned…some people (mainly white ones!) still can’t get it through their thick skulls how despicable and indeed murderous the apartheid regime was…if it was not for Mandela and his good graces after 94, so many more white racists would not be with us today!

    • Yo   November 15, 2013 at 5:08 am

      Ah Willem! What a shame that you are still living in the past. Move on. Some people (including white ones) are trying to make this world a better one. Be one of them without trying to be ‘one of THEM’. If you don’t get any of that, research ‘thick skull’

      • Willem   November 27, 2013 at 12:13 pm

        really, by holding onto land , privileges and wealth that was either stolen from the majority of fellow South Africans (not that ‘they’ were regarded as such!) or obtained with the help of the laws of the apartheid regime…most whites (including you from what I can gather) have ever acknowledged and/or even regretted the crimes committed in their name…it’s like telling the Germans that the holocaust never really happened and was not all that bad…you will be surprised how well informed the German public is as to how hateful the Nazi’s (very much like the Afrikaner Nationalists) were and that asking forgiveness might just help towards some kind of restitution…until today the German government pays certain compensation to the victims (of the holocaust) and their family members…and by the way, I’m only ‘getting on my high horse’ because of the hateful (until today!) comments about the demise of Mandela

    • Wes   November 18, 2013 at 11:29 pm

      So Willem, no credit is given to the white public who voted to end apartheid in the referendum?

      You place people in boxes, and that is just stupid. Stop stereotyping. There are stupid racists everywhere, all around the world, regardless of skin colour.

      • Willem   November 27, 2013 at 11:56 am

        those racist whites never voted to end apartheid…the question that was posed, was “do you agree that we (the Nationalist pigs) negotiate with the ANC”…the whites who supported the system (a crime against humanity if you ask me) until today make no apology for their crimes!…and no proper restitution has ever been made, such as proper land distribution and wealth!

    • rosemary   November 30, 2013 at 1:43 am

      Willem go and look on the outlying farms at the amount of people being killed with pangas, by ANC cadres The rape of a six week old baby by her uncle, black on black. The 2 year old and her cousin of 3 raped and murdered. In SA we are having 16 days of activism against rape of women and children. I think it is safe to say they(you) or what you represent are out of control. Stop living in the past. My husband was saved from certain death by a black man in the mine. When he said let me go I am paralyzed the worker said NO you are my Mlungu(white man) you speak for yourself. The whites guns have been taken away and now the black criminals kill with those guns. Innocent people. I am non racialist but cannot condone the killing of children and the aged, what ever color. They are despicable and murderous(your words) and yes not all are ANC. Yes beneath my white skin my blood boils at what the same color are doing to their own. Are you still proud to be a member of the ANC when they pillage and kill?

  41. Yummm   November 15, 2013 at 1:48 am

    I have to agree with this article,i also suspected that something was amiss when the family left Pretoria and went to gather at his homestead in Qunu…Now being Xhosa,i know for a fact that when there was a sick member in the family and everyone is made to go to the main home(usually grandparents house/the person’s home) instead of the hospital as per the usual routine then the person is no more…The family would have never left the Houghton house and decide to go have a meeting all the way in Eastern Cape,leaving a dying man all alone in a hospital if it was just a meeting.People just need to make peace with his death and move in…As for the ANC,I really am not surprised though.They’re still hiding this just so they can get votes from the elderly(who still believe they’re voting for Mandela)in the next elections…How I wish these news could reach the elderly so we can get rid of this good for nothing ANC

  42. Jay   November 15, 2013 at 12:50 am

    Really people……omw…cant believe what i am reading!!!! @ Bolekwa….were you there when he tried to force you to join the ANC( im not an anc supporter) dont get me wrong i just want to understand that he could have been as violent and dangerous as you say… I loved him and admired him for everything he stood for and would die for..May his soul live forever and shine brightly on all humanity

  43. bolekwa   November 14, 2013 at 11:40 pm

    True, he wasn’t a saint. He blew up innocent people in the name of freedom…sounds a bit like a terrorist don’t you think?
    He was actually still on the USA’s list of terrorists until last year. He approved plans to kill and intimidate black people who didn’t want to join his ANC political party.
    Sure he brought a lot of good change to SA, but are also responsible for a lot of bloodshed of innocent people of all races.
    Everyone has to die eventually, just let him decompose in peace.

  44. Leon   November 14, 2013 at 3:43 pm

    Church street, 1980’s… Lest we forget.

    • que   November 19, 2013 at 12:30 pm

      ANC office bombing in Stockholm , letter bomb that killed Ruth First least we forget

      • Russell Wright   November 20, 2013 at 9:04 pm

        @Que….who sent the letter bomb? It wasnt the ANC as your comment suggests.

  45. Deon   November 14, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    Good riddins I say.

  46. Martina Bieker   November 14, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    Keeping a 95 year old “alive” on life support is disrespectful.
    Free Mandela!

  47. M Kreiner   November 14, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    I think all South Africans deserve to know the truth! They owe us a statement so we can get on with either praying for him or mourning him. We can handle anything as long as its the truth!

  48. Gregory   November 14, 2013 at 8:31 am

    The few comments that I have read are all very bias and opinionated (not that there is anything wrong with that). and I,, from this, will try to be the fence sitter and give both sides a looking in view. the biggest problem with this source is that it stands alone, against all mainstream media stating otherwise. But due to fact that other news sources have tried to coast off of any news that maybe sensational or dramatic has also been on a large scale, which takes away greatly from any credibility this source may have. However the fact that this source only uses ‘the Guardian Express’ as its proof of evidence and findings is, as some said, bad journalism.
    The other argument is that, if this is a legitimate and credible news source, that is to say non-sensational and unbiased then putting itself out on limb with such a greatly opinionated view and statement would not be worth the blackening of their reputation if these statements prove to be false.

    • Graham Noble   November 14, 2013 at 9:15 am

      You are correct about us risking everything to stick with this story, and we do so because we are certain that Mandela will never be seen alive again.

      As for ‘bad journalism’; I find it highly amusing that anyone would make such a claim. It is an asinine and idiotic assertion. What constitutes ‘good’ journalism? Reporting only what the government (US or South African) approves and making no attempt to reveal the truth? Is that ‘good’ journalism? Additionally, doubting our credibility because we have cited our own sources is absolutely ridiculous: This was an investigative piece! Of course we used our own sources! That’s how investigative journalism works.

      I can only assume that your knowledge of journalism is as vast as my knowledge of prehistoric ferns.

  49. Anon   November 14, 2013 at 8:24 am

    Anyone familiar with Schrodinger’s cat? Becuase that theory explains this situation…And although it is Madiba…Let it go. He is nothing more than any other person. > Saying that with Respect.

  50. Devon W   November 14, 2013 at 6:02 am

    This entire article hinges on the fact that, because nobody has said he is alive and well, then he must be dead. That is terrible journalism. It’s the equivalent of saying a man is guilty of a crime before he’s even had a trial.

    I don’t know whether Mandela is dead or not, and frankly, it’s not my business. I don’t know what is happening with his family, with the government, with the doctors… with anything! All we can do is make speculations without true fact, which is the same as saying… we’re guessing.

  51. Donna   November 14, 2013 at 3:46 am

    He deserved a more dignified farewell

    • jovton   November 14, 2013 at 3:42 am

      Another publication by the controlled media that cannot provide proof-of-life, and so all they can do is question (attack) the whistle-blower’s credibility in an attempt to draw attention away from the real problem. They think they’re “turning” the public’s opinion/views by doing this, when in fact they’re actually drawing more attention/awareness to the cover-up and raising more questions. Bravo!

      • Jade   November 14, 2013 at 4:14 am

        Hey… I live in Johannesburg, South Africa – Houghton area, more specifically. I live TWO STREETS DOWN from where Nelson Mandela currently is, in his home – alive. Where are you? ‘Merica somewhere? Thinking you know a great deal about our country and reasons we’d have for covering up a death? This is not the USA. Things are pretty transparent here.

        • Bryn   November 14, 2013 at 4:40 am

          gurl…I’m South African too, and let me tell you…’aint nothin’ transparent about South Africa, especially to people looking in from the outside where it matters the most, never mind the fact that everything you know is what the government approves in the media. Have you seen Mr Mandela yourself two streets down from where you live?? doubtful. Don’t be ignorant. South Africa is a disgrace in the eyes of the world because of whats going on, it’s time for South Africans to take back our country. The ANC has ruined everything Mr. Mandela worked toward and once they’re ousted, we will be able to rebuild our once great nation.

        • Sue Hill   November 14, 2013 at 8:20 am

          TRANSPARENT – South Africa, in your dreams !

        • Lindy   November 14, 2013 at 9:08 am

          Oh honey….. Which South Africa do you live in?? Whatever you are smoking should be declared HIGHLY illegal!!!!

    • Graham Noble   November 14, 2013 at 9:03 am

      Some second-rate company in South Africa – ranked well below the Las Vegas Guardian Express, I might add – prints a lame attempt to smear us and this proves what?

      • Roger   November 14, 2013 at 10:14 am

        haha, ranked well below the Las Vegas Guardian Express? This just proves what a rag you lot are. The entire internet knows you lot are a joke.

        • Graham Noble   November 14, 2013 at 10:35 am

          In the global rankings of websites, we are ranked 5,858. Eye Witness News is at 28,447. In the category of just news websites, we are at 119 in the world; I didn’t even find EWN in this category, but they are not in the top 200.

          So, tell me again who has the better reputation?

          Clearly, you’re an idiot. I’m going to start deleting your comments if all you plan to do is post insults and smears based on NO supporting evidence. Get a life.

  52. Rory   November 14, 2013 at 3:29 am

    You people are seriously believing a sensationalist story reported from ONE media source written months ago? There’s been no follow up. No other investigation from any other source.

    This is poor exploitive journalism (raking in add revenue from hits to this site) and anyone believing it is giving into it.

  53. Emmanuel   November 13, 2013 at 11:00 pm


  54. Duduzile Zwane   November 13, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    Everybody involved should be ashamed of themselves. For a man who has transformed the world through love and tolerance to have such an undignified ending is sad.

  55. Morgan Henderson   November 13, 2013 at 6:34 pm

    Please my fellow South African’s……start waking up to the truth. The ANC will milk the death of Madiba until there is nothing left to gain from madiba’s death. They will without a doubt use this in the upcoming elections. They know they are losing the battle and need Madiba…dead or alive…to help them win the next election. They will do ANYTHING to stay in power…!!

  56. Paul   November 13, 2013 at 4:42 am

    Why cant we all just live in peace. I am a white South African, and lived in that apartheid time, its was terrible, not only for blacks but for everyone. It was disgusting and inhuman. But things have changed now, and we all live together. Bringing up the despicable past will not change anything. The people that created apartheid are all dead now, maybe they should have been jailed, but they are dead now and will face Gods judgement Yes our current Government are corrupt and stealing everything, mistreating everyone, lying and cheating this beautiful country out of amazing growth. We just need democratic leaders, in the true sense of democracy to lead our country. These racial murders that are currently happening on a daily bases and the continues hate speech and just pure hatred will just lead this country into a civil war and who wants that, not me? I want to live in peace as we all actually do. Come on people, leave the past and lets move forward.

  57. STICKY   November 13, 2013 at 3:49 am


    • Sunset   November 13, 2013 at 5:06 am

      No Sticky, this government has done very little that deserves respect since Jacob Zuma becam president. They are a bloody disgrace!

      • Willem   November 15, 2013 at 3:49 am

        fully agreed Sunset!…they are almost as despicable as the Afrikaner Nationalists were!

  58. Tshepi   November 13, 2013 at 12:54 am

    May Tata’s Soul Rest in Peace,he was a real icon to be born in SA and we are truly blessed

    • Charmaine   November 13, 2013 at 10:48 am

      I agree Tshepi. He was a truly lovely man and I find it heartbreaking that his life has had to end in this way. He has not got the honour that he truly deserved and the day has been stolen when we all could have paid our respects and bade him a fond farewell.RIP Madiba.You are greatly missed.

  59. thetruthshallsetyoufree   November 12, 2013 at 11:06 pm

    I suspected he also died in June, they ( ANC, Government, Mandela Family) think that SA public will go mad…they must get over themselves. IF I was Mandela I would haunt the bloody bunch of them for the rest of their miserable life and put curses on them.

  60. Ron   November 12, 2013 at 10:41 pm

    We are all confused because we are not part of his family, the Doctors that were treating him. We hear of so many things. Some people even mentioning that Obama’s visit had something to do with Mandela’s death since they belong to the same faith/belief. God knows the truth here and some individuals must repent or will be judged by God one day.

  61. Mauneen van Wyk (@MauneenvW)   November 12, 2013 at 10:38 pm

    It is now 13 November 2013 and still nothing. How long are they going to drag this mess on. Don’t they think that he should also be allowed to rest in peace? Bizarre!!!

  62. Fed up with all the lies   November 12, 2013 at 1:31 am

    Will the SA government, the ANC, the Mandela, whoever, announce his death after 16 December 2013? Do they want all the working people to have left the cities for their rural homes for their end of year holiday? Or, will he kept “alive” until after the next election?

  63. Duh!!   November 11, 2013 at 9:57 pm

    What else would you expect from this government!!!! Doesnt surprise me nor millions of others living here that know what ‘they’ get up to and get away with. It happens every single day here. Duh!!

  64. I don't care anymore   November 10, 2013 at 11:45 pm

    Just die Mandela and get it over with..

  65. Brad   November 10, 2013 at 7:38 pm

    Elections next year April…He will “Die” in that month….

  66. Peter Dee   November 9, 2013 at 2:28 pm

    Poor Madiba, His long walk has been longer then he thought it would be. Let the old man rest in peace.

  67. Michael Tours   September 2, 2013 at 3:43 am

    The greed and dishonesty shown by these bloggers, pretending to be investigative reporters, and claiming 25% of advertising share on this Site, which is a blog pretending to be a reliable news source … that is the problem.

    Fake stories, and greed grabbing headlines …. shame on you Graham “Not so Noble” Noble (nothing Noble about you at all)

  68. Russell Wayne Wright   September 1, 2013 at 9:43 pm

    So Noble what say you now?
    You sad excuse for a human being.

    • BraNqo   September 2, 2013 at 3:31 am

      So much egg in face, no, not even egg, kaak – lots of warm wet kaak in all your faces you who made like you know better, feeling intelligent by speculating and even declaring the death of another human being. I doubt you would be happy if someone did that even to your dogs – punkturds of note! You do not know what you are talking about – sit down and shut up, get a life – spitting such dull drivel and you talk of aryan master race? You are so dull an average village mule is more exciting and perceptive. Tsek!!!!!!

      • WhiteFemalePortElizabeth   September 2, 2013 at 3:34 am

        BraNqo, your comments always put a smile on my face!!!!!
        I could not have said it better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *HIGH FIVE!*
        Speaking of high five… this reporter needs a high five…. in the face…. with a chair.

  69. mariette troxler   September 1, 2013 at 11:04 am

    lol he s just been released from hospital!

    • Deryn Venski   September 2, 2013 at 4:34 am

      Was he really released from Hospital? No one saw him, just a gurney entering an ambulance. Only an ambulance taking him “home”. No one-saw a man being wheeled into his house as no one was allowed to. Journalists have to keep 50m away and may not approach the entrance to the house. The view point they have is only a side view of the main gate. We are still told that he is on life support, and “critical but sometimes unstable”. I wander if he is alive. I hope that this article is not true, but also Mr Mandela deserves to RIP if it is. In addition, maybe death would be better in his current condition, if he is still alive. My thoughts remain with him and his family.

  70. m.sutherland   September 1, 2013 at 10:12 am

    Why are worried about this man .What about all the people that died because of him

  71. jovton   August 31, 2013 at 5:51 pm

    Painting the Picture, Part II…

  72. Gary U.S. Bonds   August 31, 2013 at 5:49 pm

    if in fact it is true our world has suffered a tremdous loss,,he was an inspiration to millions, R.I.P. Mr. Mandela and thank you for opening my eyes to opression and the injustice it creates,,It is a shame that the president of the United States ( I didn’t vote for him ) took his family to Africia (using tax payers money) and DID NOT EVEN HAVE THE RESPECT TO PAY RESPECTS TO MR. MANDELA,,,My prayers are with his family and may God help them to continue the fight for which this great man devoted his live to , and my only wish is that the fool who lives in washington and thinks he is in command ,,would see what he is doing to the U.S.A. and resign his position as ” leader”

    • BlinkStefaans   November 14, 2013 at 8:15 am

      to many of us this mr(?) mandela you speak of is a terrorist, just like the ones the US have, he is also still on your terrorist list!

  73. Sandra collins   August 31, 2013 at 6:55 am

    The Government are still saying…. He is critical but stable. How crazy is this that they won’t let him die a natural death. He’s 95 and lived a long life. South Africans need to be told the truth. There might be chaos and an outpouring of grief as he is a much loved Father of The Nation. But acceptance will come. The only one who is Gracious in all this is his Present wife Graca. Winnie needs to remember she is the ex wife and to let Graca take her rightful place!

    • Wizzard   September 1, 2013 at 10:16 am

      Maybe, just maybe, there is something to be gained politically by keeping Mr Mandela alive by artificial means … ?

  74. Craig S   August 31, 2013 at 5:16 am

    Why is there any surprise here? Western Governments, especially American have put the ANC and its leadership on such a pedestal that they can do no wrong. When they fall off that pedestal, which happens far more than we see then there is this blind eye turning.

    Lets not forget about the wonderous Winnie Mandela who was a murderer and criminal that eventually even Nelson had to distance himself from yet she was never prosecuted for her crimes.

    The whole regime stinks of corruption, unethical behaviour and criminal activity yet everyone still wants to believe they are wonderful and have a just cause at their back’s. Time to wake up and see them for what they really are.

    Hopefully Nelson is in a better place.

  75. Mandy Noel   August 30, 2013 at 2:33 am

    Of course he is dead!!! That dishonest family of his have been hiding it all along!!! He would be turning in his grave knowing how they have all behaved!!!

    • Russell Wayne Wright   September 1, 2013 at 9:39 pm

      Who was it that said “reports of my death are greatly exaggerated”?
      I see from this mornings Mercury that Madiba has been sent home?
      Obviously its just another part of an extremely elaborate hoax….right?

  76. Sally Gonsalves   August 29, 2013 at 7:31 am

    After all Tata Nelson Mandela had to endure in prison most of his life, he comes out only to be treated in the same manner a prisoner on earth by his family so they can gain wealth what is this. Please let the poor man rest He does not still have to endure this after death

  77. Veronica   August 28, 2013 at 10:26 am

    The poor man, he is such an icon and they won’t allow him to die with dignity

  78. tania   August 28, 2013 at 6:59 am

    Omw i knew it strange that on birthday we didn’t even get to see him, disgusting is all i can say

  79. Pieter Bezuidenhout   August 27, 2013 at 11:15 pm

    He was just like you and me, God use who He want to use to change directions of a bigger picture. So lets put our energy towards a Living God, and not a man. Glorify God and repent , and God will heal this nation.

  80. Anthony Martin   August 27, 2013 at 3:13 pm

    How does it go? “What goes around comes around. ” Or is it; “What comes around goes around.”………either way what a shame to keep us in the dark!

  81. The Thinking Man   August 27, 2013 at 12:59 pm

    Typical American hypocrisy. They lead the world in sanctions against South Africa and spearhead putting a terrorist group, the ANC, into power there. Now all of a sudden Americans are trying to put the ANC in a bad light. What is this all about? Are Americans getting back at the ANC with this article for not letting them plunder their resources?

  82. Jackie Reyneke   August 27, 2013 at 9:33 am

    I believe neither the government of South Africa, The ANC, or Madiba’s family, feel anything for him. To keep a loved one hooked up to life support for your own gain is a sin. I am saddened that our Tata, Madiba, has had to endure such indignity. Has he not endured enough humiliation and indignity during his lifetime? Let him go, so that he can be at peace with our Heavenly Father.

  83. Ina Sharp.   August 27, 2013 at 6:20 am

    This tells us all we need to know about the honesty and reliability of the South African government and the Mandela family. Rest in peace Nelson Mandela.

  84. deanmz   August 27, 2013 at 6:09 am

    Mandela”s death will be revealed @ elections!!!!!

  85. Marie   August 27, 2013 at 4:56 am

    It’s so sick that the Government and Madiba’s family use him after his death. Let him rest in peace and give the nation a chance to mourn his come out with the truth!

  86. Peter   August 26, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    Free Mandela

  87. kingsburghtyreandexhaust13   August 26, 2013 at 6:30 am


    • sandra rennie   August 27, 2013 at 4:24 am

      In Qunu – with the others , all interred on July 4th – same day. Whole family present !

  88. Adri   August 26, 2013 at 5:35 am

    Who is going to pay that medical bill????

  89. Noeleen Austen   August 26, 2013 at 3:33 am

    Do they honestly believe that we were born yesterday

  90. Teresa   August 25, 2013 at 3:28 pm

    What a sad story……….

  91. Jean Siddall   August 25, 2013 at 8:29 am

    So Sad and most people have suspected this for a long time so quite feasible that it is true . To his family and the ANC… let the great man go and let the country recover from their goodbyes and start to try and sort out SA’s real problems before it is too late .

  92. Willie Beetge (@wbbullet)   August 25, 2013 at 6:59 am

    Although this is a disgrace, a violation of the so called human rights, it is not shocking. In South Africa we expect anything at anytime. Please note this remark is not racist at all, we all are suffering, black and white under the regime of Jacob Zuma and the ANC. They still deny proper education for the poor black children and it make sense, as no educated voter will ever vote for a corrupt government like the ANC. Keep them uneducated and you keep their votes. Jacob who do you think you are to mislead your people like this? Financial gain and power is the ANC motto, so how can the population expect anything different from them. It is time that Jacob and his mob become men and speak the truth to their people. I withdraw that, who in sane mind will go to jail for speaking the truth.
    Another question is surely, what did Obama do in South Africa? I thought the US has policy not to negotiate with terrorist, did that change. If you can change your street names to that of known bombers that killed and crippled innocent people in the name of freedom, how else can we describe you.
    The solution is not a white government, it is a government with integrity..

  93. Beulah Misrole   August 24, 2013 at 2:24 pm

    So….. many of us are affected by our precious Madiba’s condition and it is sad to learn in the foreign press that he may be subjected to such undignified treatment; I pray it is an error.

    My son was one of the pilots who died in the fatal flight C-47TP-Dakota 6840 which was dispatched to take lifesaving / life support equipment to Madiba on the 5 December 2012. After the crash, which took the lives of 11 people including two of SA best pilots; the purpose of why an order was issued for that fatal flight was denied and the investigation report remains a mystery. Yet the day after the crash our precious Madiba was flown out to hospital.

    The Dakota’s are museum pieces which were not designed to fly in those adverse weather conditions. My son Kurt Misrole was Madiba’s pilot for some time and loved Madiba dearly. Whilst I am saddened by what our beloved Madiba is subject to; the loss of my first born left me lethally wounded.

    The mother in me is crying for answers and the general who gave the instruction for that fatal flight against the advice of the pilots is protected. Why was road transportation not used? Why are the Dakota’s still in use in SA, Why were two of the best pilots sacrificed, why did 11 people have to die when there were alternate transportation for such a mission, why, why why………………………..

    Dakota planes – who is next in line to die???????

  94. Minnie   August 24, 2013 at 10:18 am

    why don’t they let Mandela rest in peace, it is so sad to pretend that he is still alive….must be very difficult for the family, feel great pity for them!!!

  95. Granville   August 23, 2013 at 1:53 am

    Unfortunately Mr Mandela will not be pronounced dead until such time as the family resolve the issue of the TV rights for the funeral as they want to get paid for it….sad but true…..

  96. Botha   August 21, 2013 at 5:47 am

    I think if we can grow up and walk forward we can be a better nation other than barking at each other like puppies… yes Mr Mandela is not here for ever and ever, He will die or he might be dead as the article stated, so we should be figuring a way forward as a nation regardless of what Mandela has done, we are a new generation, what past got to do with present, of course nothing beside pointing at each other, so we got to let the past be part of history and be a learning curve to us… pride sometimes don’t work, and if we still carrying the past in our minds, where are we going to fit the present. so if you not satisfied with the Government and the ANC service do something better other than stating racial opinions.

  97. Willem   August 20, 2013 at 10:32 am

    Welcome to the BANANA COUNTRY OF THE ANC!! The country i so dearly love and fear is the laughing stock of the universe….sad we are called a “rainbow nation” did they ever think about the fact – the colors on a rainbow can never be mixed, they stay devided no matter what…sad but actually true!

    • Thembi   August 21, 2013 at 5:11 am

      Willem, profound view, and very true

  98. sallyanneholmes   August 19, 2013 at 6:17 am

    What a crying shame – regardless of the politics behind all this – how can one disrespect a person to this disagree and still have respect for oneself?

  99. Justin   August 18, 2013 at 7:47 am

    Welcome to the SA goverment and the anc. When we were in the apartheid error, the world forced and demanded change. Now its just reversed and much worse than ever.but now the US and the rest of the world turn a blind eye and dont report how corrupt and racist the anc really are.the roles are now reversed. We now have BEE laws which state that whites are no longer alloud to be employed. We have sport laws reffered to as quota players which demand that a certain number of black players should be in sports teams and not chosen on merit. All these laws under a disguise for a so called equal south africa. But in fact its racism towards whites and the world turns a blind eye.we are not a democratic country at all, we are confined between all these laws.the anc is no different to mugabe. I wish the world media would actually come and see what laws we now have against whites and.but I guess the truth hurts and it doesnt matter, I would love to live in an honest and fair south africa

  100. Anita Henning   August 17, 2013 at 1:08 am

    It seems the sacrifices he had made in life, is not enough…

  101. Adeline   August 17, 2013 at 12:51 am

    The announcement of his death will upset the stocks on the exchange market as the Rand will hit bottom.

  102. Tash   August 16, 2013 at 2:36 pm

    That is just plain cruel!!! And of cause they won’t switch his life support off, just think of how many people will actually vote for the ANC if he “coincidentally” dies just before the election. Yes, he is a world icon – so why not let the world mourn as suppose to. Pres Zuma, with due respect knows exactly what’s going on & if he tricks people like this??? He must keep in mind, “what happens in the dark will surely come out in the light” – president of the not….JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED!

  103. Brad   August 16, 2013 at 1:29 am

    He will be announced dead just before the elections to create empathy towards voting, the same thing is happening in Israel ( Ariel Sharon), I believe that president has been on life support for ages as it more profitable to the family and country if he is alive? just a conspiracy theory

  104. Martin Millar   August 16, 2013 at 1:06 am

    The question that South Africans want to know is “IS OUR BELOVED MADIBA DEAD OR ALIVE (Sitting up and talking alive!)? If he is dead, is the South African Government looking for an excuse to make another public holiday? If not, why dont they pronounce him as such and let his tired and weary body be committed to GOD for eternal rest? What sinister forces we have in this country! Jacob you are the worst President I have ever heard of, TIME TO GO!!!!!!!!!!

  105. Tshegobokly Idah Mogoshane   August 16, 2013 at 12:45 am

    I cannot believe that we are arguing and bringing up irrelevant apartheid issues back because of 1 journalist from Las Vegas Guardian Express expressing his opinion.

    Thanks Rushka.

    If Mandela is dead, its the family’s right to decide how and when they want to announce it. As for the funeral preparations mentioned above, it didn’t only happen with Mandela family. I’m not sure about other cultures but most of our families prepare for funeral once family members are hospitalized or in a comma for a long time. It doesn’t mean that they are dead, its merely preparing for the worst. Some recover when some dies, so family funeral preparations doesn’t declare death.

  106. Stephen   August 15, 2013 at 9:02 pm

    Will we ever know the truth…..?? Our Govt is very similar to the USA and Brit Govts… never know the truth….and theres is always a load of BS…..Lies and Deceit…

  107. annon   August 15, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    So sad and what a lack of respect, both his Family and the goverment are showing towards a human life, if this is true. Mandela or not, does not matter !!

  108. DAN   August 8, 2013 at 11:47 am

    The fact that Obama didn’t visit him says a lot I don’t think he’s ever going to stand up again.

  109. Adriaan   August 7, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    1700% more political related deaths in 19 years in comparison to 44 years under the “Dreaded Apartheid’s Regime” Apartheid has never been more exercised as at the present …. Where will it end? Blind leading the blind.

  110. This is not really my name   August 6, 2013 at 9:22 pm

  111.   August 6, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    Nolo you are definitely on point, just ignore all the rubbish being said. One day black Africans will rise and be powerful and it is a fact. Right now they busy painting our leaders as dictators,savages and dictators forgetting what damage Apartheid caused

    • Michael   August 6, 2013 at 4:44 pm

      Seriously? Are you so brain washed? Apartheid is over, 20 years ago! The only paint your leaders need is to cover your eyes yet again with lies. How many more people are homeless since 1994, black AND white? How many people don’t have jobs since 1994, black AND white? Didn’t the ANC make big promises, since then to now? Nobody needs to taint the leaders, their doing a great job at it themselves. Publicly… For the whole world to see. And they’re watching. So should you. The only way to fix South Africa is to continue with Mandela’s efforts to unite all of us, to live together. Not to be racists, not to be corrupt, not to be murderers, not to be terrorists and definitely not to bring back apartheid. Because as a rainbow nation we’ve learned from our mistakes, didn’t we?

      • Russell Wright   August 6, 2013 at 9:46 pm

        Ah yes… but that explanation isn’t the popular one so therefore it doesn’t work…and is obviously the work of counter revolutionaries with colonialist tendencies.

  112. laaisa   August 6, 2013 at 1:14 pm

    Our local news stations have all stopped reporting on Madiba’s condition!!!!!! He is no longer with us. However, the machines are still running. Our government have robbed a great man of a dignified death. Disgusting……………………………

  113. Arkim King   August 6, 2013 at 6:02 am

    The british…….where do they get you people?….who said we’re in denial?….this is all conjecture and supposition……how’s the Queen doing by the way? when will Prince Charles become king!..haha

  114. candice   August 5, 2013 at 10:58 pm

    Its sad realy sad !

  115. Catherine van Tonder   August 5, 2013 at 10:18 am

    It is a shame that this is happening to the former President. I think the family is dishonouring him on this way to lie to the public who care so much for him. They are selfish let him rest he had his long and full life no matter where he was and what he did.

  116. Liane   August 4, 2013 at 10:18 pm says it all.

    Nelson Mandela was the head of UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), the terrorist wing of the ANC and South African Communist Party. He had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilizing terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Many innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists.

    • Anon   August 4, 2013 at 11:28 pm

      I agree , and the sad part is that the MK became part of our National Defence Force with the new government .

    • Nolo   August 6, 2013 at 3:40 am

      what are you on about? can you also remark on what the apartheid leaders were doing…it is people like you who keep South Africa backwards. Say thank you he uMkhonto We Sizwe did not bomb/ terrorize you when they took over but allowed you to live peacefully amongst them!

      • Lourens   August 6, 2013 at 7:33 am

        Wow Nolo – yes Liane’s statement, although the truth is not really relevant to the actual discussion. BUT your remark is very out of line!

      • Melt   August 6, 2013 at 9:35 am

        Nolo I guess that people like Malema and the youth league are the poster children of progress in SA? I do believe that there are more racism amongst the “new reversed apartheid” regime than there can and have ever been amongst the previous apartheid leaders!
        Besides ….. we have as yet not received ANY proof that Mandela is still alive! I do believe he is dead and that the ANC money hungry “leaders” are also trying to get in on the action there and keeping the rest of the population and the world in the “dark”

    • Russell Wright   August 6, 2013 at 9:52 pm

      and exactly how many innocent people were killed by the apartheid police and defense force?…..not counting all those that were “disappeared” by God knows what secret department.
      Do you really think Dr Death has been telling the truth?…the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

    • Sean   August 7, 2013 at 7:05 am

      Spot on Liane ! I wish people would wake up and remember that part, the man was a terrorist !

    • Rushka   August 13, 2013 at 5:13 am

      This is the thing with us South Africans- everything must become a racial debate. We cannot unify as a people and this is why our country will never ever heal and we will not progress as a people. While we’re on the subject:
      1). One mans terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. I wonder what these white people who are calling Mandela a terrorist would have done if they were victims of apartheid. A war is never pretty, but sometimes it is needed.
      2). This is not a reversed Apartheid that we’re living in- The system is just kak and broken and could be fixed if everyone stood together and demanded change. Im so sick and tired of people saying that the ANC only looks after the blacks, when majority of them are still severly impoverished.

      Wanna fix the problem? Get off your freaking arses, stop blaming each other and point your fingers at the real problem: the system, the government, the people in power. A system where the minority have majority power will NEVER benefit the people of the country- no matter the skin colour! Lets wake up a bietjie man.

      • Lourens   August 13, 2013 at 5:29 am

        I must truly congratulate you Rushka. You are one of the very, very few people that replied to the original post that said something that at least make some sense. Thank you!

    • Braam   August 13, 2013 at 2:24 pm

      Liane, Maybe you must check your facts. Mandela, as far as I know, was never a member of the SACP. I fact, I heard him say in a televised interview, that he did not become a member because he is a devout Christian. But he did see MK as a legitimate “army” fighting an enemy. We needn’t agree with his view on that (in fact, I don’t myself, although I understand it). Further more, he didn’t plant all those bombs himself, although he OKed such “operations” (as you say). I don’t like the deification of the man as it is, but let’s be fair in our criticism. He was child of his time, as was the leaders of apartheid. Hindsight is always a great “advantage”.

  117. lyndie   August 2, 2013 at 12:47 pm

    just a wild guess …. but his life support system will finally be switched off just before the next general election …. ?? what a circus this is turning out to be for such a great leader and humanitarian!

  118. Sabbath   August 2, 2013 at 7:57 am

    Propaganda it arrives in black,grey and white.

  119. Brendan Burns   August 2, 2013 at 5:56 am

    Politicians are forever thus … However, Nelson Mandela transcends politics and was a visionary and humanitarian, the one and only Global statesman to emerge from Africa.

  120. Addie Kraan   August 2, 2013 at 4:01 am

    “We live in a world of lies, but the truth like a light will penetrate through darkness!”

    • jovton   August 9, 2013 at 6:49 am

      Thanks you Addie. Those who are chosen come to the light that their works may be revealed as righteous, but those that are of the darkness comprehend not, and fear the light, so their evil works may not be revealed. However, as Johnny Cash puts it… “as sure as God has made black and white, what is done in the dark will be brought to the light…”

  121. j. wayne   August 2, 2013 at 1:28 am

    thanks Anon and Michael… Seek his kingdom and righteous… now we all one union in South Africa so let us stand up against for injustice of our leaders…

  122. Marc Cramer   August 2, 2013 at 1:24 am

    The whole Mandela family, Zuma and the whole ANC are liars and have kept his death away from the world due to Mandela Day and the upcoming election. Zuma is probably trying to “keep him alive” till the election. How much more deceit can Mandelas “people” endure? To the people who voted for Mandela……… think again before voting for the lying, deceitful, thieving, corrupt, rich and fat ANC.

  123. wun yunn   August 2, 2013 at 12:41 am

    Thank you Anon and Michael, i’m non-white South Africa and lived thru.. the apartheid years. F de Klerk has opportunity to released ANC learders but are still terrorist. Thanks for others who support the right to fight against our own leaders are greedy and steal…even their own people are becoming poorer (like all in AFRICA). God asked us not to be blindfold, seek and search his kingdom and righteous.

  124. Esra Tramseno   July 30, 2013 at 2:30 pm

    The recent incident where and obviously frail and bemused Mr. Mandela was wheeled out like some sort of bizarre stuffed mascot to be photographed in the company of inanely grinning ANC bigwigs was despicable and disgusting

  125. Sandra   July 30, 2013 at 11:26 am

    I have to say that he was not seen as a hero by all of south africans… a lot saw him as a man that killed and planted boms that mutilated people…

    • muximus   July 30, 2013 at 10:29 pm

      A lot of those people are racists without brains who do not understand that apartheid was unjust.

      • Michael   July 30, 2013 at 10:50 pm

        Yet, a lot of those people you call “brainless racists” provided work, clean water, housing, municipal services and infrastructure before and during apartheid. All of this started decaying since “intellectual terrorists” took over the government turning the country into the corrupt hole that it is now. Yes, apartheid was unjust. I agree. But those “brainless racists” are no less racist than you are.

    • Klein Koos   August 1, 2013 at 12:24 am

      He is a terrorist not God ..

      • BraNqo   August 1, 2013 at 12:46 am

        You are a sad case, you make the likes of Mugabe and Malema credible. Hope you can stand the heat from the fires of hatred that you are fanning so gleefully. I think maybe you have a sense of invincibility, hehehehehe shame. Sooner or the later the good blacks will get tired of plugging the dyke with our thumbs…..
        THEN you will see true terrorists, airhead.

    • Tim Burrows   August 1, 2013 at 10:01 am

      Funny that so few are willing to say that but yes, you are absolutely right. If he had not been guilty of those crimes he would not have spent all that time in prison and if the government of the day had been any where near as wicked as is made out then he woould not have stayed alive all those years.

      • Anon   August 1, 2013 at 11:41 am

        I am Non White South African and I lived through the apartheid years . FW de Klerk should be given a lot more recognition. He took the bold step to give South Africa to the people . But he was threatened into it . Either watch more innocent whites ( and blacks ) die ( by the freedom fighters ) or give in to their demands . During the apartheid years there was also black on black violence . Remember the ” necklacing ” ? Any other country would have given the death sentence for these crimes . Unless you lived through everything that happened in those apartheid years , would you know the real truth . All the people been glorified now , really deserved been punished .

        • Michael   August 1, 2013 at 2:06 pm

          Thank you Anon, absolutely right. There is another side to the story that the media didn’t tell to the rest of the world. Apartheid was before my time, I was born in 1980. I’ve done some research and know that there were other aspects, like politics and international interests, that blew everything out of proportion. Why is it that South Africans, white and black, oh wait, Greek, Russian, German, French, Italian, (the whole world is in SA!!) can live with each other and get along, only to have these so-called freedom fighters come mess it all up? They’re corrupt and only think about personal gain. While the ordinary guys only want to work, support their families and have a good quality standard of life. Which is so abundant in SA. Racism is spoiling the riches of every man’s hart. All because people in power became greedy. I’m glad I missed those times, but still because I’m a white south African, I’m labeled as a racist? It’s so stupid.

  126. kathleen   July 30, 2013 at 5:32 am

    I am sure that Graca would never tell the media lies as she loves Madiba. If he were braindead she would not be able to tell everyone he has improved with such a happy face. Please stop making up stories to sell your newspaper. No need to wait for family to be reburied as they are already buried.

  127. Lourens   July 27, 2013 at 1:38 am

    @ ThabisoS – Yes Nelson Mandela is/was an exceptional man, something we cannot say for most of his followers. Interesting fact – Nelson Mandela did not lead the nation out of apartheid – he stood up for peoples rights – but it was de Klerk that gave him the office to take it further.
    May the people learn from both these great men!

    • Sash   July 27, 2013 at 2:16 am

      I totally agree with you on this .

    • Russell Wright   August 1, 2013 at 3:14 am

      DeKlerk gave him the office?….Hardly.

    • Andrea   August 1, 2013 at 5:27 am

      Finally someone with some common sense. De Klerk was the hero! People should praise him more often , but then sadly we can turn around and say and look what you have left us with. A rotting , deceiving, bunch of thieves!

  128. Jason   July 24, 2013 at 1:21 am

    Let the man rest in peace.
    He is unable to survive on his own meaning he is no longer technically alive.
    The ANC and family have been trying to cover this up with ” Critical but stable”, that doesn’t even make sense.

  129. Ngabe   July 21, 2013 at 8:48 am

    Please, you, whoever wrote this article should just go home and shut up.
    Ngumnqundu lo ubhalwe apha

    • jovton   August 9, 2013 at 7:02 am

      Why do you want to keep this in the dark? Are you planning something? Yes you are. Well, we know about your plans. Don’t worry.

  130. I. Cripps   July 20, 2013 at 4:11 am

    The uncertainty still continues, with Emeritus Archbishop Desmond Tutu pulled into the fray as well. He was very careful in his wording to a reporter not to deny or confirm Mandela’s condition, saying merely that he (Mandela) was asleep when he went to visit him, (which would be how he would appear if he is being kept alive on machines.) Tutu then quickly changed the topic to other matters. We are still in the dark, and the white population are being threaten with annihilation once it becomes known that ‘Madiba’ had certain factions in the ANC.

  131. Nipho   July 18, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    Y’all are just in denial! Its unnatural, not to mention impossible for him to survive this long..under the circumstances, at his age. THE MAN IS DEATH (until proven otherwise)!! SA government is not doing good at covering this up..I’m disappointed.

  132. Nipho   July 18, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    @ThabisoS, it really doesn’t matter how you put it, it’s just the same sh*t man. Ay lol! But it makes no difference, the guy has been dead for some time now..that’s the whole point of this article. “Hmm.. Guess you” missed it. “Idiot..” Haha

  133. ThabisoS   July 18, 2013 at 3:49 am

    “…considered a hero in South Africa for leading the nation out of Apartheid and becoming the county’s first black national leader.”

    Hmm… Guess you forgot to acknowledge the fact that he was this country’s FIRST EVER DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED LEADER. Idiot..

  134. Charmaine McDonald   July 18, 2013 at 1:45 am

    Only God knows the Truth about Madiba.

  135. Mary   July 18, 2013 at 1:25 am


  136. C du Toit   July 17, 2013 at 6:53 am

    What a load of bull! This is not America where they can pull the wool over a whole nation (9/11 sheeples). This “journalist” is a disgrace.

    • NicoB   July 30, 2013 at 10:00 am

      I wonder who is going to be the one witht he whool over the face?

      • Russell Wright   August 1, 2013 at 4:10 am

        Probably the one who didn’t shave…

  137. BraNqo   July 13, 2013 at 10:26 am

    Now that you have been exposed to be not boldly inclusive but rather intrusive, now that you surely know that you misrepresented facts based on a dubious document (as for your ‘impeccable’ source in the Hospital, did they bring you a video clip so you could, as you so dully asked me the reverse, “….see with your own eyes”? You actually trusted ONE source (and the dubious, contentious, contested document) for something as major and sensitive as that? You should be ashamed of yourself, but, like I said last time, I doubt you even care, you are likely having fun about all this, you are, in your hoods with holes for the eyes and nose, and white sheets, having a barbecue and lots of cheap whiskey and celebrating your new, ill-gotten, shameful fame. God bless you for you know not what you are doing, what pain and humiliation and total stripping of dignity you are doing to us. Sok, get on your merry way, somewhere, someday, somehow, you will have to account for your actions, of that I am sure.

    • WhiteFemalePortElizabeth   July 19, 2013 at 3:07 am

      VERY well said BraNqo!! They sit in the land of far far away and think they know everything about everyone… this from a country where most people think Lions roam our streets, and some think Ethiopia is a country in Europe. Very shallow minded people – who are they to think they know ANYTHING about our country! They wouldnt even be able to fathom a fraction of what this country has been through, and what we are going through. We couldnt expect such small minded people to understand the grief this country is going through with Tata Madiba’s illness.

      • NonWhiteInDurban   July 19, 2013 at 3:13 am

        Well yesterday a spokesperson / minister said on National radio that Madiba was watching the days’s events on Television ……………… ?

        • WhiteFemalePortElizabeth   July 19, 2013 at 3:21 am

          Seems my reply didnt go through, so I apologise if this is a duplicate.

          Yip, I heard so too! I am also more inclined to believe Madiba’s wife Graca before I believe some tabloid from “fairyland” usa. His wife is a real, proper, upstanding woman who loves and stands by her husband (literally and figuratively) through everything. She has said he is steadily improving – I am so happy – for her and for Tata. I must admit I had my doubts about what our government were saying about Madiba’s health, but Graca would have no reason to lie ?

          I can just imagine him laying in bed smiling at all the antics from yesterday! 🙂 xxx

          • BraNqo   July 19, 2013 at 3:54 am

            God Bless you guys for standing by the side of right and humane and decent in the face of fame and bigotry and darkness. The reason why the earth will unlikely stop turning, why life will go on, somehow, is because there are more good and decent people out there than the others. The likes of this excuse for a whatever it calls itself, source of mis-information and putrid outlet for bigotry, and the likes of Malema who made me lose my appetite for breakfast this morning, they are the fewer, and we must just keep the faith, maybe, just maybe, we can find that we are not as different as these two types of human mis-form would have us believe. Again, God Bless you all and yes, best wishes for Madiba, and the future of our country.

      • Tim Burrows   August 1, 2013 at 10:11 am

        And 99% of them don’t care.

  138. Nuubian   July 13, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Nelson Mandela’s wife has said she is “less anxious” about the health of South Africa’s first black president than she was a week ago.

    “He continues to respond positively to treatment,” said Graca Machel.

  139. Nuubian   July 13, 2013 at 9:40 am

  140. Nuubian   July 13, 2013 at 8:53 am

    “If you don’t read the newspaper, you’re uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you’re misinformed.” – Mark Twain

    • Stephanie   August 1, 2013 at 9:14 pm

      Unfortunately Twain never faced The Secrecy Bill….

      • Stephanie   August 1, 2013 at 9:17 pm

        We’re misinformed and uninformed. :/
        I hope this country and its people can save itself from what’s happening. I really love living here.

  141. Alison Hayes   July 12, 2013 at 12:11 pm

    I’m sickened by the argument of whether Madiba is alive or dead! If your loved one was placed on life support, would you post a death notice in your local newspaper?? I’m sure your newspaper sales soared post-June 25th.

  142. Leo Klaz   July 12, 2013 at 9:46 am

    Mandela the Mystic. Who knows? Might just be the way the exit of Jesus was handle?

  143. Jay Simpson   July 12, 2013 at 8:20 am

    A person in a persistent vegetative state is not dead. They have almost no hope of recovering to live a meaningful and sentient life but they are not dead. A person is considered dead when they are “brain dead”, a state in which cranial nerves are absent and no longer functional. A person in a persistent vegetative state still has these reflexes and is thus not considered dead.

  144. juliana homan   July 12, 2013 at 5:02 am

    Why all these fuzz.Nobody knows seems like lies.I don’t know

  145. Anne van der Merwe   July 12, 2013 at 4:58 am

    Why not just switch of all the machines and let him go in peace. He has not quality of life anymore.

  146. Mokgadi   July 12, 2013 at 4:38 am

    I understand you frustration, to be posted abroad with anticipation and the eventualities to not happen as soon as you would like it to happen, will force you to create the lies. I mean you need to justify why you are hear for so long. Let me just update you Nelson Mandela he is alive and be careful you don’t go before him

  147. Nicolette   July 12, 2013 at 3:56 am

    As a South African citizen, I just wish that we could be informed of whats really going on. I dont know who is lying or who is telling the truth anymore. Our government continues to lie and do as they please. Why can we not be given the facts. What can a person believe anymore.
    Mandela was a good leader, and a huge inspiration. He came out of prison, became president, and instead of being bitter towards the “white” population, he fought for equality. dead or alive, Mr Mandela, you have my respect.

  148. kgostis   July 12, 2013 at 1:16 am

    yet another case of lazy journalism how grotesque. Mandla buried Mandela’s children in Mvezo over a year ago if not 2 in 2011 already, it had nothing to do with Tata’s readmission to hospital in 2013. Now if you fudge such obvious facts how do we even trust your ability to follow a trail of ambiguous documents and events, and report on the facts contained there in, in an objective manner might i say, especially if one of the documents veracity is in question, it is this very document that you so heavily rely on to sell these lies …..all i can say is Rupert Murdoch’s tendencies all up in this ish. Your cronies should tell you the truth and put the beat back on that silliness, like unruly chilluns during cuz of them peoples, especially your juniors.

  149. Free Haine   July 11, 2013 at 11:06 pm


  150. jacqueline   July 11, 2013 at 10:25 pm

    Madiba’s friend Dennis Goldberg saw him alive in hospital last thursday. You convenietly forgot to mention that Gaurdian while it was widely reported on local and international tv. Only doctors pronounce on the life or death status of people, this is a fact. While a person could be on life support or vegetative, they are not dead until a doctor gives that pronouncement. Get your facts right!

  151. Elsie   July 11, 2013 at 2:57 pm

    Madiba is not dead untill the Presidency says so. We have millions of people believing that he will get better, leave it that way, we have enough problems to solve. Everybody has to get used to the fact that Madiba is old and very ill. So what if he died on 25th June? It is not a fact yet. Let go!

  152. Rob Martin   July 11, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    They are waiting for the 18th to celebrate his birthday

  153. H.T   July 11, 2013 at 12:18 pm

    I think our greatest south african leader Mr Nelson Mandela is on life support… And I feel we should respect the mandela family’s decision on what their plans are for our father of our nation… Maybe they wanna wait until tata birthday which is next week; Mr mandela will be turning 95.. Let our south african rainbow nation and the world celebrate tata’s last birthday… I think we should all respect the mandela family, if they have Mr nelson mandela on life support its the decision the mandela family made..

    kind regards

  154. kanya   July 11, 2013 at 11:38 am

    “Has the ANC graduated from actual terrorism to cyber terrorism” please explain this arrogant remark you have made about a country’s ruling party?

  155. BraNqo   July 11, 2013 at 11:16 am

    I really think as much as you might feel you are entitled to your opinion and views, there is an element of disrespect in saying he is ‘dead’ before the family or anyone else who would be vested with the authority to pronounce such actually does. Of course you do not have the same kind of taboo value-sets as we African people do, but it is actually in very bad taste to decide to publish a headline that somebody has died before you have been officially told so. If I may ask, you are basing your whole against the grain argument, long as it is, on the ‘papers in court’????? I think you might be out on a limb, what if it is discovered that those papers are inaccurate, for or by whatever reason????
    I think you should try and show some respect, I know it is likely not in your nature, as a sensationalist sizzle-factor-driven contra-bonos-mores tabloid, but if it was Queen Lizzy over there, I doubt you would have shown such disdain as you have done. We are hurt by your articles, I must tell you, but I doubt you give a darn, shame.

    • Graham J Noble   July 11, 2013 at 11:34 am

      With all respect:

      You might try reading the article more carefully; then you will see that we are NOT basing our whole argument on any court documents.

      Just like every other person who has criticized us, your only “proof” that Mandela is still alive comes from Jacob Zuma. the ANC or the Mandela family. No intelligent person would believe any of those sources.

      If you see Mandela alive with your own eyes, then you will be entitled to criticize our reporting.

      I would suggest that you not hold your breath, waiting for THAT to happen!

      • Russell Wright   July 15, 2013 at 1:03 am

        and your proof he’s dead is an “informed source”?….really Graham I would expect a lot more from a varsity graduate.
        I wonder what you would say if he walked out of hospital?
        If he does you’re going to look rather silly aren’t you.

    • Luke   July 12, 2013 at 7:16 am

      Well said BraNqo, this article stinks of the death of decent journalism.

      • Russell Wright   July 15, 2013 at 1:04 am

        Bra Graham is an idiot masquerading as an arsehole.

  156. Rose   July 11, 2013 at 8:52 am

    I think Madiba his on life support and maybe it is time for South Africa to let him go and Rest in Peace he owes us nothing and has had a good innings.

  157. Geraldine Gaggia   July 11, 2013 at 7:56 am

    Agreed Koos.

  158. Geraldine Gaggia   July 11, 2013 at 7:43 am

    South African journalists have been so dignified about Madiba. All the others overseas seems to know much know more than us. i wonder why?

    • BraNqo   July 11, 2013 at 11:17 am

      Too true hey.

    • francois   July 12, 2013 at 5:12 am

      South African media is easier to control by the South African government.

      just a thought

      • francois   July 12, 2013 at 5:17 am


        It is easier for the South African Government to control the media in their own country than media in other countries.

  159. Koos   July 11, 2013 at 6:46 am

    Not really the time and place for a comment like this.

  160. Henry Oliver   July 11, 2013 at 6:15 am
    Madiba is responding to treatment, notice also the use of numbers 33rd day and today is 7/11. Is this some kind of resurrection played along the lines of the Christian Jesus? Now the sheeple will be confused and believe anything and nothing, total chaos. According to NWO this chaotic societal mind is their version of game over.

  161. Gratella Muzeboko   July 11, 2013 at 5:35 am

    guys guys,
    who would win?
    a white man with a club or a black man with a knife ??
    (everything else held constant)

  162. Glovu Inkapu   July 11, 2013 at 5:00 am

    I am a black man seeking a white female, I love my white meat so pls feed me.
    Everyone should unite not fight because I like the guava tight (must be white)

    • edward   July 11, 2013 at 5:10 am

      Mother fricken heall yeah that shait!

  163. Shadows   July 11, 2013 at 4:37 am

    Heh … nice linkbait.

    • edward   July 11, 2013 at 5:17 am

      shadows, your the master of the dark!! in the benign of existence you will find darkness all around you. Mother fricken heall yeah that shait!

  164. Dale   July 11, 2013 at 4:22 am

    Mandela is being kept alive purely to satisfy the ANC’s selfish objectives.

  165. Wez (@InsanityFlea)   July 11, 2013 at 3:11 am

    “Permanent vegetative state” are they talking about Madiba or the ANC?

    • edward   July 11, 2013 at 5:09 am

      Wez its a beautiful comment. Thank you!

  166. Zam   July 11, 2013 at 2:17 am

    What a load of rubbish! Wasted 5 minutes of my life that i will never get back mxm!

    • edward   July 11, 2013 at 5:09 am

      I agree with you Zam,

  167. Jollas   July 11, 2013 at 12:59 am

    Thank you!!!! This is what I have been saying for a week!! Open your eyes, stop being played like a puppet, people of South Africa. RIP Mandela

    • Edward   July 11, 2013 at 1:00 am

      Dumbest comment by a ignorant monkey

  168. Edward   July 11, 2013 at 12:33 am

    A load of bulldust. Madiba is still breathing. No evidence based on his death, no evidence based that he is alive besides the silly media comments. Its a media scam to make the most money they can out of his ill times. Stupid people!

    • Russell Wright   July 11, 2013 at 12:42 am

      Careful….one of the “I believe he’s dead without a shred of proof brigade” will call you names like a child in a playground who is threatened with having his favorite toy taken from him for behaving like a twat.

      • Edward   July 11, 2013 at 12:48 am

        Russell Wright, your incompetence to rationally/logically conclude any argument is nonetheless somewhat disappointing. A fact is a life event. Let me educate you in clear english. When something occurs, and it has past it has happened. Thus its a fact. When something is speculated, thought of that it may have occurred, its theory based. University as thought me there is two types of research, non-factual and factual. And your arguing like a monkey marinating on blogs like this. Shame on you!

        • francois   July 11, 2013 at 1:58 am

          You need to go to a new university it seems.

          Theories are based on speculations or TESTED speculations.
          Not the other way around.

          Fact is:
          A thing that is indisputably the case. OR
          Information used as evidence or as part of a report or news article.

          Not a “life event” as you put it.

          Now Mr Edward. Sadly, I have read some of your other comments and although I don’t agree with Mr Wright on quite a few of his comments, I do find myself supporting him more in this than you.

          So please. Throwing the “University card” to back up your statements makes you look like an even bigger fool.

          Research is not “Non-factual and factual”.

          Information is Non factual or factual.

          I don’t know what your so called university teaches but sounds like a rather funny place.

          • edward   July 11, 2013 at 5:08 am

            Francois. your an egg. Flip over and die

          • francois   July 11, 2013 at 5:29 am


          • Russell Wright   July 11, 2013 at 6:06 am

            Oh well done Eddy…very well done indeed. I see your time at whichever university you attended was not entirely wasted on you…your parents must be immensely proud of you.
            I would just like to point out though that your use of the word “your” was incorrect and the correct word would have been “you’re”….consider it my contribution to your education…free of charge of course.
            Ah….did you notice? I used the word though instead of thought. How clever of me.

          • Russell Wright   July 11, 2013 at 6:22 am

            Erm?….well that was unexpected I must say.
            Well said Francois.

        • Russell Wright   July 11, 2013 at 5:37 am

          I see…well it clearly hasn’t done much for your grammar old son.

  169. J. Nelson   July 10, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    Vote ANC in again! But only if you want to have a lot of liars, thieves and manipulators
    in charge. Not just that but also people whose promises to the country Has led to very rich people riding in very big cars while the poor are still grovelling for something to eat!!!

  170. Dawn Van Ballegooyen   July 10, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    I Quote:Not wanting to lose their icon, the majority of South Africans have been in denial over Mandela’s death, resulting in their eager acceptance of their government’s dishonesty. This is not entirely true. My domestic worker told me that a lot of the black people know in their hearts that Madiba is no longer with us and they are angry about the lies.

    • Graham J Noble   July 10, 2013 at 10:49 pm

      Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

      Warm regards,


  171. Merle Watt   July 10, 2013 at 10:01 pm

    Nothing short of WICKED – hope the ancestors are watching – closely!!

  172. Thembani   July 10, 2013 at 3:22 pm

    Honestly I dont care, the truth will remain and never change. If we are lied to, the lies will not stand firm for long before the general public knows. Nature will play its part and only God knows the exact truth.

  173. nic battaliou   July 10, 2013 at 3:07 pm

    If Eskom does another bout of electricity load shedding, then we can be sure that Madiba is finally dead.

  174. dedan   July 10, 2013 at 2:34 pm

    “The whole nation was mired in dishonesty and denial over Mandela’s death.” How can that be accurate whole means everybody. I doubt very seriously that the Guardian would make such a sweeping statement about any Western Nation, not even Nazi Germany.

    • Graham J Noble   July 10, 2013 at 11:01 pm

      You make a fair point, regarding sweeping statements. I sincerely apologize, if my wording gave you the impression that I was tarring the entire population of South Africa with the same brush. I admit to using a certain amount of ‘poetic license’. Our publication has been the target of widespread condemnation, over our reporting of the /Mandela affair. We have been subjected to cyber-attacks from South Africa – presumably the work of the South African government/ANC. Additionally, the official line is that Mandela is still in “critical but stable” condition.

      Perhaps I should have said “much of the nation”.

      • Russell Wright   July 10, 2013 at 11:51 pm

        and perhaps you should refrain from speculating and using “poetic license” until you have concrete proof one way or the other.
        As a South African and one of those many you denigrate I find your idle speculation over the death of an icon hurtful and completely lacking in understanding, sympathy or credibility.
        In point of fact, sweetie, you can take your poetic license wrap it in your speculation and shove the entire thing up your anal orifice.
        Noble you most certainly are not.

        • Jennifer   July 11, 2013 at 2:28 am

          Russell, you as well as myself being a South African know sure as well that we have been kept in the dark about what has been happening with Madiba, not so?
          You say, I quote “that it is hurtful and completely lacking in understanding, sympathy or credibility” but yet don’t you think that the family, government and others have shown no sympathy, RESPECT and so forth? Surely if you dad, grandfather, son, husband died or mine we would be distraught? Come on, you are just trying to not face the facts.
          Well done on your article Graham Noble.

        • Lauren   July 11, 2013 at 5:55 am

          here here Russel Wright!

          • Russell Wright   July 11, 2013 at 6:10 am

            *bows low*
            *whispers….the cheque is in the mail*

    • CaithlinM   July 11, 2013 at 10:42 am

      This is NOT The Guardian. This is a site owned by a web design company, Frackle Media, which also happens to run The New (See what they did there?)
      Also, note that the author of this “story” suggests the site has been the target of cyber attacks “presumably by the government/ANC”. OH FOR CRYING IN A BUCKET! If that doesn’t tell you what you need to know about this source, I don’t think I can help you. I mean we ALL know about the elite team of ninja CIA hackers the ANC has employed, right? [Note to reader: sarcasm]

  175. Matthew   July 10, 2013 at 1:03 pm

    “There will be those who maintain we were premature and not accurate, but the impeccable credentials of our South African source completely neutralize those claims.”

    What credentials are these? “Anonymous” is not a credential.

  176. Wicked Mike   July 10, 2013 at 10:09 am

    As a South African, the only certainty is that i can’t trust my government. Lying and misdirection is unfortunately the norm, not the exception. Why should it be any different with Mandela?

    If he is in a vegetative state, whether you call it death or life, we were lied to. Personally, if i’m unconscious with no way of returning, call me dead. Let’s not mince our words like cockroaches and bunnies.

    Unfortunately, Mandela lived to see the dictatorship of democracy we’ve become and that human rights for all was a pipe dream…as it always has been for the poor (no matter the colour).

    • Andrea Gaitskill Knott   July 11, 2013 at 6:04 am

      My feelings exactly.. sad that people will “argue” the case…

      Respect the man!

  177. CaithlinM   July 10, 2013 at 9:55 am

    What an incredibly irresponsible article. Instead of just admitting you jumped the gun and published new of his death too early, you have essentially written an essay arguing that a person on life support is dead and then conspired to use that argument to accuse the government of lying to people, stirring up fear and hatred along the way in a country that is already on edge.
    No death certificate is issued when a person is put on life support. Because they are not legally dead. Thankfully, death certificates are public record and so your statement that “we may never know when he died” is also bollocks.
    Meanwhile, shame on you and this hit-mongering excuse for journalism.

    • Stuart   July 10, 2013 at 12:05 pm

      Absolutely right Caithlin !

    • BobB   July 10, 2013 at 4:37 pm

      Could not agree more with the above.

    • Zakkou   July 10, 2013 at 10:40 pm

      I think your missing the point, this is not about proof of death. This is about being mislead to believe he is recovering and not keeping the general public in the know to what exactly is going on. A big charade making us look like fools to whole world.

    • Jennifer   July 11, 2013 at 2:30 am

      Are you South African? Have you been following all details every day and every second?

      • CaithlinM   July 11, 2013 at 10:30 am

        Yes, actually. And, as a South African who works in the news media, I’ve been following particularly closely. The direct and repeated quote from the President’s office is “responding to treatment”. I don’t want to become one of the speculators, but it’s worth noting that a person on life support can still respond to treatment. E.g. antibiotics will work to clear a lung infection. Sure, it won’t bring them out of a vegetative state, but “responding to treatment” is not a lie.
        Also, it is not up to the government, or the world public or the South African public to dictate when his machines should be turned off. It is up to his family. Leave them alone.
        Finally, please realise that the above article is an op-ed and not news. For news, you should visit a reliable news site, not a blog that is owned by a web design company trying to pose as The Guardian to attract hits.

  178. Batshobonke   July 10, 2013 at 9:20 am

    Its unfortunate but not surprising nonetheless that we still leave amongst ill-informed so-called South Africans…………..just hope the Old man”Tata Mandela” did not have to go through all this, consious or not!

  179. cecillmike   July 10, 2013 at 9:10 am

    Don’t you think we sometimes miss the boat when it comes to journalism. Yes, there was freedom of speech but when government is involved where is that freedom. Don’t you think the cover up is from the Leaders and not the journalists. Another thing is the family must be left alone to mourn and do their own funeral arrangements. Mr Mandela was an icon and it is the family decision to do as they feel best not for others to decide what is best. It is time to start putting together what he hoped for, “Peace.”
    It is with the current leaders we have to contend with and open their eyes. They are ignorant and have no touch on Mandela and for this to happen doesn’t it make sense to educate the uneducated in politics.
    Coming from a military background, if any bad seeds need to be wipe out to make it a better place then so be it but at the moment let Madiba rest in peace. If you read the history, he was against the bloodshed when the struggle went forward, he turned his back on many of the leaders who did not want a peaceful resolution.
    There was a lot more involved in the taking over of our country which stems as far back as USA, UK and our own so called regime.
    It is your calling to act fast in educating those that are un-educated in the polls for the coming ELECTIONS. Make it count.

  180. Kerry   July 10, 2013 at 7:57 am

    Respect respect…..

  181. Robyn   July 10, 2013 at 7:34 am

    Sometimes I wish people could get past what happened before. I’m 20 years old now and I’m no racist nor was I brought up as one I have black friends and nothing is wrong with them. Stop labelling people some white people are worse then what you think black people are. In the end we are all people trying to live our lives while sharing a country. If attitudes like this go on we will end up on the bad side and it’s not because of the blacks it would be our own short sightedness. And I know the history and all that, but it is not up to you to judge Mandela. That is only up to God. He did good for a long time in his life, I’ll definitely give him that. I won’t say a Hero, but in the end a good man. But only God may judge him which you should know if you are a Boer, our biggest tradition and most important part of being a Boer is our religion!

  182. claude   July 10, 2013 at 7:22 am

    well said isabella,Deon v Rensburg needs to be slapped for making such a comment.

  183. Blogger G   July 10, 2013 at 7:09 am

    With all these comments no wonder there will never be peace between all of us. It takes one worm to spoil a bunch of apples. With attitudes like this we will never have peace. We shouldn’t attack each other about the past but we should concentrate on what is happening now. Lets rather stand together and get rid of the scum politicians that is abusing and stealing from us all.

  184. Sipho mandlaisingopaci   July 10, 2013 at 6:36 am

    White vs black, who will win ?

  185. sindiwe   July 10, 2013 at 6:15 am

    I think the only people who know of this white genocide, are the whites. Honestly, as a black South African I do not have time to sit around and plan a genocide. I have work to do, a family to feed and a legacy to build. One thing you white people need to understand is that we are not like you, so revenge is really NOT at the top of our priority list and if you think one Mandela had the power to stop thousands of angry black people from killing you all those years ago, then you’re dumber than I though. If we wanted you dead, you’d be dead. So calm the hell down and stop getting ahead of yourself. We still need you. Let’s talk when we have enough black pilots, engineers, accountants, doctors, etc … because I mean let’s be honest…why keep you around after that? **I kid. I kid** 😉

    • Johan   July 10, 2013 at 6:24 am

      Learn to spell “though” did you not mean thought ? Guess you are the dumb one

      • sindiwe   July 10, 2013 at 6:31 am

        Hhahahahhaahahahahah… Shame.

        • Johan   July 10, 2013 at 6:36 am

          Exactly …

    • Brandley Gallant   July 10, 2013 at 6:35 am

      Spot on Sindiwe! #ParanoidSouthAfricans

    • Wha Thafock   July 10, 2013 at 6:41 am

      blacks are too stupid to be pilots, engineers, accountants, and doctors, you moron.

  186. Mandy   July 10, 2013 at 6:10 am

    Well said Isabella Meyer..Ignorant people don’t care to know the facts. They just jump on the bandwagon of the people who have brainwashed them. They generalise and then make ignorant statements like that of Fenria who clearly cannot contribute positively here. @ Fenria..since your statement indicates that there is some sort of racism in your tone, could you perhaps answer why the killing of a well-respected paediatrician from the University of Stellenbosch’s murder by two white Afrikaner brothers were hushed up. Up and until Dr Louis Heyns’ murderers were found, that news dissappeared from the radar..I know this is unrelated but you might just want to answer that since you’re insinuating unnecessary argument.

  187. theo   July 10, 2013 at 4:41 am

    Apparently the daughters have a company called Madiba 95 and if he lives until his 95th birthday they stand to make millions from that as well. If not, they loose all they have put into that company

    • Russell Wright   July 10, 2013 at 6:00 am

      and how exactly does having a company called Madiba 95 going to make them millions should he live past that age?

  188. Thabo mbeki   July 10, 2013 at 4:30 am

    Mandela is well, we are about to have lunch together
    I am his best friend will have a beer for u all.

    • Jacob Zuma   July 10, 2013 at 6:58 am

      I will see you guys there! Grab me a cold one so long.

  189. skuttles   July 10, 2013 at 3:36 am

    if there is ever a war you lot in charge will have to call all us old farts up that did national service and border time,be it army,navy or airforce ,lets face thae facts we have a navy with unskilled staff half cannot swim/the army most do not no how to shoot and flyboys with no planes to fly

    • D.Kruger   July 10, 2013 at 3:48 am

      Well said – – – my husband a W/O – Sgt. Major in the Army – complains about respect and discipline and all the BEEE staff only there to earn a salary. Can’t shoot a gun, OR do a parade, & certainly do not deserve to be there!!!!! Not like the old days! Where are all our old boys – we need them back again. 🙁

    • Russell Wright   July 10, 2013 at 6:06 am

      Uh?…..what navy?
      and they have the planes….all 12 of them….they don’t, however, have enough trained pilots to fly them and even if they did they don’t have the budget to operate them the way they should be.
      I believe the other 12 have been mothballed.
      As for the subs?….1 had its battery destroyed through incompetence and 1 of the remaining 2 is in dry dock.
      So yeah good luck.

  190. Jeni Carter-Johnson   July 10, 2013 at 2:51 am

    i just think its very sad….. he came out of jail with forgiveness in his heart and very being..he tried his utmost to get us back on track and for the main part it did work !!! i wish he could go softly into the hereafter now and REST IN PEACE

  191. Michelle Patton (@Michell41944487)   July 10, 2013 at 1:40 am

    Firstly – racial comments like the ones above don’t do ANY good – never have and never will! They are distasteful and completely out of order! Why don’t you just pack up and leave?
    Secondly – where is the respect shown to the Mandela family in this report? IT IS THEIR DECISION where they would like their family member to be buried! If it means that plans have to be put in place before they can take any medical action THAT IS THEIR CHOICE! Respect for the family should be placed first and foremost. It is not for ANYONE, but the family to decided what/when to disclose information!
    Thirdly – South Africa is addressing issues such as the secrecy bill/ media tribunals and the disdain the Government has for the media because of unscrupulous and disrespectful journalism.

  192. D.Kruger   July 10, 2013 at 1:29 am

    I agree with most of the abovementioned……. BUT we must remember – he was first and foremost a terrorist! He did turn his life around yes – but that will never justify all the deaths under his hand before that! We should be used to Political deception by now! And becoming another Zimbabwe soon is on the cards for sure! We can not just live our lives and forget the past because ‘they’ won’t allow us – using ‘your’e a racist’ excuse for everything!!!!! It’s a shame, we live in a beautiful country, but things will never come right with the wrong attitudes!
    May Mandela’s family let him go in peace – death is his only forgiveness now!
    I’m not denying he turned out to be a good man after all!

    • Isabella Meyer   July 10, 2013 at 2:26 am

      You live in those circumstances for more than 30 years, not seeing your children grow up, being beaten up for wanting equality and come out of that with forgiveness that saves a nation, would you be able to do that. The label terrorist depends on your viewpoint. The rest of the world viewed SA government as the terrorists and if you have the guts to stomache the TRC transcripts, get educated, you would see there were terrible atrocities on both sides. I think Mandela has paid his dues and a million times over he has made the world a better place. You speak about wrong attitudes, but I do not think you understand the deep hurts and destruction that was caused by Apartheid – it tore families apart, people were murdered in the name of the “Government. Only when we have tried to understand and spoken to each other, will racism become less.

      • D.Kruger   July 10, 2013 at 2:35 am

        Let us all just try our best to live and let live.

  193. Disgusted South African   July 10, 2013 at 12:35 am

    @Fenria, you are am uneducated pathetic excuse for a South african, why can we all not live in peace and forget about the past that we had no control over!

  194. jhjjy   July 10, 2013 at 12:11 am

    disgusting reporting. it shows what kind of operation you run. pathetic… do you honestly think we’re that stupid, but then, maybe that’s the audience you target…

  195. Val Burrell   July 9, 2013 at 11:37 pm

    Thank you for highlighting to us the truth as a South Arican this is the exact thing we live with. Madiba deserved more that this disgusting death. He was such a great man

  196. Hanna Nel   July 9, 2013 at 11:36 pm

    I am not a journalist but even I know that you cannot publish a important statement like the death of an icon like Mandela as a truth when it is still just a speculation. Even if he’s on life support he is still not dead and to report that he is, is arrogant, disrespectful and very bad journalism in my opinion. It just undermines the credibillaty of your news paper. It looks bad no matter how you try to justify it. To me it looks like your good judgement was clouded in the race to be the first to report his death or maybe funds and patience are running low so it was just easier to let him “technically” be dead and move on. Ps I also heard from a reliable source that Madiba is responding to his close relatives and that the family is disputing Mandla’s court documents stating his vegetative state.

    • Max   July 10, 2013 at 12:24 am

      You heard, they heard! you’re just as arrogant, if not, more so

      • Hanna Nel   July 10, 2013 at 10:41 am

        I was being sarcastic.There are allot of speculations out there. All claiming they know the truth. My point is you cannot report speculations as truth no matter how reliable they appear to be. Especially where someone’s death is concerned.

    • Graham J Noble   July 10, 2013 at 1:03 am

      A fairly reasonable comment, apart from the fact that you criticize our reporting by saying that you “heard from a reliable source”. Doesn’t that mean you are doing what you are criticizing us for doing?

      We were provided with very clear information from an extremely reliable, well-placed source; someone who is actually likely to be one of the first people to know the truth, because of their position.

      The only close relative of Mandela who is disputing documents that reveal doctor’s advice that Mandela is in a vegetative state is his grandson, who is, clearly, just trying to position himself to make money from Mandela’s death, along with Jacob Zuma, the corrupt President.

      There is no other evidence – not one single shred – that Madiba is still alive. If you have a “reliable source” that knows otherwise, then you are doing the Mandela family and South Africa a very grave disservice by not revealing the source and putting an end to the alleged false speculation.

      • Ceejay January   July 10, 2013 at 2:12 am

        The same disservice you are doing by not revealing your source Mr. Noble, as detrimental as it may be to his personal life. I do commend your journalistic insanity.

      • Hanna Nel   July 10, 2013 at 10:59 am

        Ps I must commend you on your excellent tactics to draw attention away from the fact that you reported a person who is alive( on life support or not) as dead by drawing attention to our corrupt president.Zuma and some of his party members are a thorn in many of our South Africans’. Not just over the whole Mandela business but over Guptagate, Nkandla to name but a few. So lots of South Africans will be on your side with this as they want the world to know that Zuma is damaging Mandela’s legacy in many ways. But that still doesn’t justify your irresponsible reporting

  197. audrey   July 9, 2013 at 10:59 pm

    Political decption…nothing new in this country!!!

  198. Deon v Rensburg   July 9, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    Dishonest like his nation. He was a murderer and was in jail for killing inocent people. If that make you a hero, you have to make Osama Bin Laden and many more also one!

    • Sash   July 10, 2013 at 12:14 am

      At last somebody said it .

    • Isabella Meyer   July 10, 2013 at 2:40 am

      Deon, dishonest like his nation? What do you know about South Africans, were you once a South African yourself? Surprisingly South Africans around the world are appointed for their honesty and great work ethic, so don’t make blanket statements about something that you clearly haven’t given any thought to. And Mandela was not thrown in jail for killing people. He was thrown in jail because he opposed an inhumane political system. And after years of talking, they turned to violence, as the government had declared war on them too. So a number of our “ministers” should have been in jail for murdering many others. Do yourself a favour, read the TRC transcripts and then form an informed opinion. So perhaps you should realise there are not just one truth – your own, it was a lot more complex than that.

      • Russell Wright   July 10, 2013 at 2:44 am

        Well said Isabella.

  199. Fenria   July 9, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    So when will the promised killing of white Boers begin?

    • Hunter   July 10, 2013 at 3:06 am

      Hey Fenria… Bring it on…

  200. Amy Shaw   July 9, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    regardless of the situation surrounding Mandela’s death/no-death (which frankly, is his families choice to report as they wish), this article is the most childish piece of journalism I’ve ever read. Someone give the guardian express a lollipop and tell them to stop being pathetic.

    • francois   July 10, 2013 at 1:35 am

      I would love to see you explain your reasoning behind that comment

  201. cheryl Jansen   July 9, 2013 at 4:53 pm

    May God bless Madiba with peace and comfort. May God bless South Africa and may we continue to walk in forgiveness in the same way Mandela did.

  202. Linda Brooks   July 9, 2013 at 3:37 pm

    Jacob Zuma and his cronies are unable to tell the truth. If they looked out of the window and it was pouring with rain they would say it’s a beautiful sunny day! Nell

  203. Sarah   July 9, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    Looks to me like a very badly written piece by a journalist trying to cover his bases for not doing proper research before publishing information. if he is on life support he is still alive

    • Graham J Noble   July 9, 2013 at 2:55 pm

      With all due respect, your comment is questionable on a number of levels:

      Badly written why? Are you an expert on writing?

      Covering my bases? No: I am not, in any way, conceding that he may still be alive, I have merely speculated that he may be still physically attached to a life support machine, even though he is actually dead. If you hook a dead person up to a life support machine, that doesn’t suddenly mean they are alive.

      Not doing proper research? What ‘research’ would that be? Taking Jacob Zuma’s word for it, that Mandela still lives? Have you come across any news article that presents verifiable and undeniable proof that Mandela is still alive? No, you haven’t, because there is no such article. Our research involved being informed of Mandela’s death by a very well-placed source and then putting together a timeline of events – which completely corroborates the information we received – and searching THOROUGHLY for any shred of proof that he was, in fact, still alive.

      I find it ironic that many people, such as yourself, are completely willing to accept unsubstantiated media reports, or official announcements, that insist Mandela is alive, whilst arbitrarily dismissing our reporting, based purely on the fact that we are telling you something you do not wish to hear.


      • Hanna Nel   July 9, 2013 at 11:50 pm

        But you have undeniable proof his dead??? And we should not accept unsubstantiated media reports but only believe your report with your so called source? Ironic! Typical of the media today. You are no better than the ANC government in this regard. All of you abusing the situation to serve your own needs

      • Russell Wright   July 10, 2013 at 2:29 am

        Do you have any verifiable and undeniable proof, beyond some “well placed source”…who may or may not exist… except as a figment of your imagination, that he is dead?
        Unless you do all you have is speculation.
        And if speculation is all you have?… then you sir…are… as despicable as Zuma and his acolytes.
        Have a nice day.

      • Russell Wright   July 10, 2013 at 6:39 am

        Do you have one shred of evidence that he’s dead?
        And what do you base your “reporting” on?… unsubstantiated third hand reports from well placed sources?…and fanciful speculation?
        That’s your idea of responsible reporting?
        What if that well placed source had reason to lie?
        Was he paid for the information?
        What you have put together in the article is speculation based on rumour, supposition and more speculation.

      • Russell Wayne Wright   September 2, 2013 at 9:46 pm

        Umm….hi Graham….any thoughts on the latest development?
        I await with bated breath…

  204. Daleen   July 9, 2013 at 1:50 pm

    After everything he has done for this country and the AN.0C, it is a shame how he is treated. All for their own gain.
    Makes me sick. They spitting in his face disrespectful. Don’t have enough words to describe my disgust in the government and his family.

  205. Old school SA   July 9, 2013 at 12:09 pm

    I would like to see the day when our esteemed SouthAfrican government of monkeys is honest about anything, even trivial. They are a bunch of corrupt immoral idiots

    • Sash   July 9, 2013 at 12:17 pm

      That day will sadly never come …. But the pres did have one day of honesty .. He did say he took a shower ..

    • francois   July 10, 2013 at 1:47 am

      As long as you and other keep referring to them as monkeys, or anything else that can be seen as racist, they will have the upper hand. Racism and Apartheid is the two cards that the ANC play almost every time to justify their actions or divert attention away from the real issue at hand.

      Give them no ammo and they will eventually implode.

  206. Sash   July 9, 2013 at 12:01 pm

    Very fishy that the American President was not allowed to see him …

    • Amy Shaw   July 9, 2013 at 7:25 pm

      I don’t see this as shady at all. When a person reaches the end of their life, every moment is precious. These moments belong to the dying person and those closest to them. Sooner or later someone has to draw the line and say “thanks for coming folks, but the show’s now closed to the public”. I don’t care how important one may think the president of America is, in the end, no one is more important than family.

    • Russell Wright   July 10, 2013 at 2:37 am

      The clue sweetheart is the fact that Mandela is in hospital….geddit?
      Nothing fishy about it at all…unless of course you believe its all nothing but a huge conspiracy.

      • Graham J Noble   July 10, 2013 at 2:48 am

        I considered engaging you in a serious conversation on this matter but – having read your comments and responses to comments – it is very clear to me that you are merely a condescending and narrow-minded human being who seems to think that attempting to make others feel small is your only path to self-satisfaction.

        The fact that Mandela is, almost certainly, still in the hospital does not prove that he is alive.

        A ten-year-old could figure that one out.

        • Russell Wright   July 10, 2013 at 6:25 am

          It doesn’t prove he’s dead either numbnuts.
          Merely in hospital….where… very…sick… people… go.

          • francois   July 10, 2013 at 7:06 am

            Mr Russel Wright. Your blind stupidity and lack of insight into this matter is laughable at best. I find Grahams article to be plausible and knowing Zuma and the current state of affairs regarding Mandelas family, his money and the burial site problems, anything is possible. The entire situation is questionable and if you truly are so naive as to believe what “they” tell you is true or if you don’t find this entire situation at least a little odd then maybe you should refrain from commenting on this website.

            You obviously do not see the point of this article

          • Russell Wayne Wright   September 2, 2013 at 9:48 pm

            and what say you now Francois?

  207. Andy   July 9, 2013 at 10:18 am

    As a South African I find it very, very sad, at the end of the day, minus the government, press, family squabbles here is a frail old man who has reached the end of a remarkable life and just wants to rest.

  208. Eckardt   July 9, 2013 at 9:34 am

    It amazes me how some, even on this article, are blinded by the proclamations of others with wrong intentions. Naive and so ready to be led into darkness, all with a complete disregard for truth. Like puppets on a string, the world is fueled by their ignorance. And governments know this and continue to milk them, like puppet masters. To all the puppets out there- wake up! Great article GE

    • Russell Wright   July 10, 2013 at 2:34 am

      Sweetie… if you think thats a great article I can only suggest you broaden your horizon.

  209. hermias   July 9, 2013 at 8:14 am

    Guardian Express should know, if there is any place with more lies than the media, it’s the court! U can’t believe anything.

  210. Terri   July 9, 2013 at 8:04 am

    In case you didn’t know, someone isn’t dead until a doctor proclaims them so. I think medically a pulse is a pretty clear indication that someone is still alive. This article is a cheap shot at trying to get traffic to your site. And it’s extremely disrespectful to try and fabricate a conspiracy theory about someone like Tata Mandiba.

    • Straight Shooter   July 9, 2013 at 9:04 am

      Um, no. “Vegetative state” means brain-dead. One can have a pulse that’s driven by a machine. Turn the machine off, and the pulse stops. I don’t know why you feel that Zuma’s government should be immune from conspiracy theories, or entitled to respect. Even so, that you feel this can’t change the truth.

  211. carl reiche   July 9, 2013 at 7:47 am

    Should this be true, I am not surprized as we DO NOT live in a transparent country. After GUPTAGATE, the lies and unthruths and open deceit would not amaze me. I think that they want to ensure that at his 95th birthday, there is still a payday. Technically, if you are on life support, you are dead`

  212. Nomi   July 9, 2013 at 7:27 am

    After all this secrecy and still the ignorant people of my country will vote for the ANC. This is why I can’t wait to move away.

    • Michelle Patton (@Michell41944487)   July 10, 2013 at 2:15 am

      Then Move!

      • Isabella Meyer   July 10, 2013 at 2:20 am

        Michelle, agree!

      • Nomi   July 10, 2013 at 3:56 am

        Oh i would have already, I’m just spending so much money on taxes and petrol and insurance and having to keep fixing my broken car windows and replacing stolen possessions, ag you know how it is ( ̄□ ̄;)

    • Russell Wright   July 10, 2013 at 2:31 am

      Don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

  213. carmar   July 9, 2013 at 6:54 am

    RIP…regardless of politics you had no freedom in life and it seems you will not have the same in death.

    • Michelle   July 9, 2013 at 11:40 am

      Share you sentiments!! Sad that a family can ruin so much he has built up by lies, deciet and family ego’s — Madiba RIP you deserve it, you worked so hard to unite the people but politics and ego’s, dishonesty & corruptioh will never change.

  214. Liam Reid   July 9, 2013 at 6:38 am

    I don’t deny the fact that you may be right, however some of your definitions are extremely sketchy. For example I was told by freinds of freinds who work inside the hospital that he is intubated, and on no further life support. This is consistent with a lung infection. Also if there is no further organ failure there is nothing to prompt the resporators removal. I am concerned at the level of journolism that an event would be reported just because there is no concrete evidence to the contrary. Intubation is intubation, and it is missleading to refere to life support for there are many different levels of “life support”.

    • Mauritz   July 9, 2013 at 8:34 am

      Liam Ried – You are indeed correct. the level of journolism is indeed very questionable. This article is a complete sham. even if its true, its claiming to be true on the sole fact that there is no proof that its untrue. All without presenting facts that its actually true in the first place. This is no different from religion.

  215. Jb willers   July 9, 2013 at 6:15 am

    Thanks for an open minded, well argued article. Not something we will likely see here in SA. I am amazed and amused by the antics of the family and ANC officials. I doubt that soap opera (or sitcom) writers can write a better script. Milk the dead cow, boys! Milk it!

    • Russell Wright   July 10, 2013 at 2:41 am

      Say what?….open minded?….well argued?….huh?…all the author has is speculation and some….possibly fictional… well placed source?

  216. Siya   July 9, 2013 at 6:09 am

    This is shameful, how can you base a story on an document filed by greedy Madela’s daughter to manipulate the court for her favour. We are South Africans and trust what our presidency is reporting. What does the state stand to gain by lying about Mandela’s death? Please respect Mandela’s privacy.

    • MaryKay   July 9, 2013 at 6:51 am

      ignorance is what u just wrote… lol time and time the government lies!!!! all the corruption, and yet u still have faith that what the presidency is reporting is fact…. grow up. we are living in the age of betrayal and chosen ignorance over truth!!!! they are gaining soooooooooo much!!!! MONEY MAKES THE WORLD go round… maybe u also believe the presidency when they say they dont make money on Madiba’s bday. lol lol lol of course they do…

  217. E Hufkie   July 9, 2013 at 6:03 am

    My sincere prayers go out to Madiba. He was the tool used by the ALMIGHTY GOD to bring peace, stability and human dignity to the wonderful country of ours. He answered the call of GOD with fervor and humility and bucket loads of forgiveness. We all love you TATA. May GOD continue to bless you abundantly for the unselfish and dedicated work you have done. We pray for a painless transition into the hands of our loving Lord Jesus Christ.

  218. N Sander   July 9, 2013 at 5:23 am

    All in all a shameful state of affairs. Anyone can see through the ruling party’s manipulations to suit their own purposes. As for Mr Mandela’s family….shame on you, why are you letting people treat your Grandfather, Father, Cousin etc this way. Let Mr Mandela RIP he has after all lived a very long life. Like all of us he cannot escape death and his time has clearly come. Let him go in peace. Hamba Kahle Inkosi

  219. Jo   July 9, 2013 at 5:17 am

    Oh and just to enlighten all those non-South Africans out there…. there is no longer a “battle” between black and white…. We are the rainbow nation. We don’t care if you were bright green with yellow spots – This is a battle of good and evil – Those who work honestly, live honestly versus those that just take and take with no value on human life….

  220. Jo   July 9, 2013 at 5:06 am

    “The ANC of today is not the ANC of yester-year. It is not the party of revolutionaries as it likes to believe. Rather, it is increasingly at risk of becoming the party of what Frantz Fanon called the comprador bourgeoisie – that layer of society that becomes parasitic, and extracts what it can without giving anything in return.”

    Jacob Zuma (I wouldn’t pee on him if he was on fire) and the ANC are killing South Africa one fraudulent act at a time….

  221. esti   July 9, 2013 at 4:59 am

    All of you have SO much to learn of this world…

  222. SA Citizen G   July 9, 2013 at 3:20 am

    I Cant see the comment i left?

  223. SA Citizen G   July 9, 2013 at 3:18 am

    I was born in the apartheid era. Was about 7 years old when the country elected Madiba as its leader. I have great respect for the man. He was educated,fair and loving. Wether this article is true or not i cannot say but in light of recent events in SA in regards to open corruption and the inability of the ANC to govern the country this would not shock me if it was true. Anyone living in this country of ours would have noticed the constant decline of affairs. This in my opinion is directly connected to the leadership. (Or lack thereof). Madiba was educated. Had numerous degrees, his successor Mbeki also had degrees from universities in England and then Zuma was elected (only by right of succession) with is unfinished primary school education. This man changed the constitution of the country to not go to jail!.. He is a criminal,by no means stupid but he is uneducated and unfit to lead a country as diverse as ours. I’m off the topic i know but what i’m hoping is that our international friends notice where this rich and diverse country is heading to. I dont want to be a doom-sayer but 1+1 always equals 2. Madiba dedicated his life to making this country a better place. And his successors have ruined everything he’s worked for. They are disgracing his memory with their behaviour and in all accounts succeeding to do everything he warned them against. I truly hope that his death, how inevitable or not it may be could once again move our people to change the country for the better. Madiba was quoted as saying at his inaugeration speech “If the ANC does to you what the appartheid regime had done to you. You must do the same to the ANC as what the ANC had done to them”. Arch bishop Desmond Tutu, a well respected religious leader,supporter of the ANC and world famous charity worker was quoted as saying “I will not be voting for the ANC in the coming elections. They where a great freedom fighting force but had not made a good transformation to a government. They are unable to lead the country”. The ANC is starving their own people and IF a war ever should erupt in the country. I honestly do not believe it would be as much racial driven as a republic sick and tired of being lied to, stolen from, killed, ripped off and oppressed. All this is only my opinion as a citizen of what i believe is the most beautiful country in the world that i love with all my heart. All this controversy about Madiba’s death or life is just proof that our statesmen are scrambling again to secure their own agenda. May God have Madiba Rest and Peace. He will always be loved.

  224. Gen   July 9, 2013 at 1:10 am

    Catch up, Graham! In my understanding Mandla Mandela moved the bodies two years ago. Last week the court hearing ruled (without Mandla’s testimony) that they should be returned to Qunu which has already taken place. BTW, there are many South Africans who believe as you do; that Madiba died two weeks ago – but we, with the rest of the world, are hamstrung by the ANC circus.

  225. landi   July 9, 2013 at 12:05 am

    Well the Goverment is hiding all the facts because of all the rumors that when Nelson Mandela dies war is going to start between the black and the white people in South Africa. It stupid to think but not impossible. The day we find out the truth about Madiba something is going to happen in South Africa according to some sources.well if anything happens ill let you know. But God Bless Madiba. We shall always love and honour him.He was the change we all needed. And he will be truly missed

    • Jadie   July 9, 2013 at 1:50 am

      A civil war between races? After Madiba dies?? What absolute poppycock! I’ve never heard anything as ridiculous. We thought that would happen after the Yes/No Vote in 1989 and nothing even remotely similar took place. Everyone will mourn and that’s that… Sorry Landi, I’m not attacking you, it’s the idea itself that needs to be mauled!

      • Ildiko   July 9, 2013 at 3:08 am

        Well said Jadie. What poppycock! We are now the rainbow nation – happily living together in our beautiful country. We have our problems but so does every family (country).

    • Avalon   July 9, 2013 at 4:24 am

      What a load of twaddle; this rumor mill has been doing the rounds for year; some people are just never happy unless they are sowing dissension in the ranks – it is called propaganda.
      Long may Madiba’s spirit live in all us beautiful South Africans of the Rainbow Nation.

  226. J   July 8, 2013 at 7:39 pm

    Wonderful article about a horrific situation. Thank you for this. Also, your understanding of South Africans being in denial.. is 100% true. We all are.

  227. Willemien   July 8, 2013 at 3:54 pm

    Graham, you say that Denis Goldberg has not actually seen him, but in the video he clearly says: “It really moved me to see him.” Why do you think this isn’t actually true?

    • Graham J Noble   July 8, 2013 at 4:31 pm

      A good question, Willemien.

      One thing that Goldberg said during this interview struck me as inconsistent: He claims to have seen Mandela. By all official reports, Mandela is currently on life support, as there has been no word that he had been taken off life support.

      Therefore, when Goldberg allegedly saw him, he was hooked up to a life support apparatus. Yet, in the interview, Goldberg says “I’m quite sure there’s been speculation about switching off whatever machines he’s been on.”

      To my mind, this clearly demonstrates that, whilst he may have spoken with family members, he did not actually SEE Mandela.


  228. Mark   July 8, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    I really really don’t believe any articles that I read when the VERY first sentence is not even proper English. “by all intended purposes”? Come on man.

    • annoyed   July 8, 2013 at 2:00 pm

      It is proper English Mark, it means essentially… But i don’t see how someone can be “essentially dead”, either you’re dead or alive and as far as i am concerned if there’s still blood pumping from your heart through your body then you’re alive

      • Mark   July 8, 2013 at 2:07 pm

        No “annoyed” – the correct English phrase is not “by all intended purposes”, it is “for all intents and purposes”. This has since been (mostly) corrected by the author.

    • Mark   July 8, 2013 at 3:44 pm

      Thank you, well written you will believe. No thought necessary. Got it DA !

  229. annoyed   July 8, 2013 at 10:26 am

    @Graham Noble quote “it really moved me TO SEE him” unquote he goes on to say that its clear that he is a very ill man but he is in far better shape than he thought… so go and watch that video again and this time listen properly….

    • Graham J Noble   July 8, 2013 at 4:36 pm

      This is, pretty much, the same reply I gave to another reader who commented on the interview with Goldberg. You say “this time listen properly.” Perhaps you should take your own advice, with all due respect.

      One thing that Goldberg said during this interview struck me as inconsistent: He claims to have seen Mandela. By all official reports, Mandela is currently on life support, as there has been no word that he had been taken off life support.

      Therefore, when Goldberg allegedly saw him, he was hooked up to a life support apparatus. Yet, in the interview, Goldberg says “I’m quite sure there’s been speculation about switching off whatever machines he’s been on.”

      To my mind, this clearly demonstrates that, whilst he may have spoken with family members, he did not actually SEE Mandela.


  230. Roland Fivaz   July 8, 2013 at 9:52 am

    Hamba Gahle Baba. You will always be our icon.

  231. Annatjie Kruger   July 8, 2013 at 7:16 am

    How unbelievably sad. That one of the great men of Africa must be treated like this. Zuma and the government but mostly his family should be ashamed of themselves. It is a disgrace. If they can treat the icon of freedom from apartheid like this, Zuma should be scared. Because when his time comes, he will be treated even worse. Yet again the ANC and the government has made South Africa the laughing stock of the world. Just a pity that they are laughing while we are trying to mourn the death of one of Africa exceptional sons.

  232. symi   July 8, 2013 at 5:41 am

    what really grates my carrot is how he’s being used to validate the circus they call the ANC’s public image right now… JZ has reported that Madiba is proud of the ANC… what? he sat in the same room as a man who is no longer able to speak, but he reports such BS?

    could we not just respect that man, after all he’s done?

    seems like his life is one of waiting for people to catch up to what is really going on, first in prison, and now on his deathbed.


    • Janene   July 8, 2013 at 11:30 pm

      Well Said Symi! JZ thinks he is a superstar that can do as he pleases and I think he knows that once it comes out that Madiba has past on the 25th and has been dead for over 2 weeks he will loose his votes for the next election… all about politics!!!!!!!!!

  233. Chris   July 8, 2013 at 5:12 am

    this is fiction and very tabloid reporting 🙁

  234. Sabrina   July 8, 2013 at 5:11 am

    Good article. I hope that the world media will continue to pay attention to developments in South Africa. There are so many issues that the rest of the world are oblivious to because they are ignored by world press. The situation with Mandela is very sad, but it is hardly shocking that the ANC would have their own agenda, they always do. Corruption is rife. In the next few months, there will be plenty or report about.

  235. Cathy   July 7, 2013 at 4:46 am


  236. Groot baas   July 5, 2013 at 11:07 am

    Very well said. At least you see our goverment for what they are. Follow our next election, there will be a sudden attempt to buy the majority of the poor’s votes by increased capacity in bulk sewerage infrastructure and sewerage reticulation for rural settlements and thats not all. Rural communities will all recieve sanitaryware all paid buy the tax payer. Nice. After the ellection…there will be no need for any municipal service maintainance. I were born but did not see any of the apartheid era, it was wrong i agree, our country was clean, crime free and everything worked. All of a sudden they the black community is ” free”. They are not in fact they and we are worse off, what first world country will chase farmers of their land and and use all and every single piece of wood for fire, im not making this up…we are on the way walking hand in hand with zim.

    Went a bit of the subject. Is the world at least aware of this?

    Great article.

  237. News_follower (@barbara_volkwyn)   July 5, 2013 at 3:57 am

    It’s untrue. Watch this –

    • Graham Noble   July 8, 2013 at 12:07 am

      Did this video offer any conclusive proof that Mandela is alive? No.

      If you watch and listen very carefully, the man actually says something that proves he has not seen Mandela. I’ll let you figure it out.

      • Jadie Brown   July 9, 2013 at 2:02 am

        I don’t know, Graham. I’ve seen you respond twice based on that observation of what Goldman said. I’m not sure you’re making the point you think you are… He said “whatever machines” not necessarily life support, right? Did I understand you correctly? Just because he didn’t call them by their “official” name doesn’t mean he wasn’t there, doesn’t mean he didn’t know. I think it’s a bit of a stretch, man, don’t you think?

  238. Samantha   July 4, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    Dit is regtig sleg!!! Mandela is dood, maar sy gesin gee meer om oor dat sy kleinkinders saam met hom begrawe moet word. Wat maak dit saak? Hulle is dood en dit is tog net hul bene wat daar le, Hul siel is klaar waar dit moet wees. Sy lyfie is nog nie eers koud nie en die famielie bakly al klaar. So gaan ons almal dood eendag, Ek dink hy sou dit meer wardeer het om vir die kinders op straat geskenkies en kos te gee as wat al hierdie geld moet spandeer word vir sy kleinkinders se herbegrawing, en sy verjaarsdag viering waar hy nie eers sal by wees nie. Rus in Vrede Madiba!!!!! “You ment alot to this world”

    • maaka Joy   July 9, 2013 at 2:41 am

      I think they are still trying to turn the 18 July to be a Mandela day, as a holiday. so that’s when they’ll switch off the life support

      • Ann   July 9, 2013 at 3:23 am

        My thoughts too!

      • Audrey Sabag   July 9, 2013 at 4:34 am

        Why do you say the 18th? Just curious.


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